Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by JumperX

don't we have more than enough classically handsome female characters?
let's make a chubby AND chibi bunbun gal :P. They can always go back and readjust the look of the character design or introduce a new viera design saying they are from another tribe ;)

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I agree they should add a female version.

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Originally Posted by Awha

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Just came back from my GM ordered vacation but I just wanted to keep the dream alive. This is the body type we need male buns, it is the only fair option if SE goal is diversity. Short and chunky is the best way.

Come on guys, best of both world those who want a short boi get it and those who want a round or pear shape boi get it. All happy faces!

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just put some gold saucer bunny ears on your lalafell

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Thankfully it isn't a 'vocal minority' who favour classically handsome aesthetics. Good looking guys are more popular than the strange looking, sickly characters that a tiny but vocal portion of players are pushing for within this very thread.

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Just too bad that "classically handsome" will be widely different with each culture so the slender body type may even be seen that way somewhere (and I guess there is a high chance that this is happening in asia culture).

Heck for me a classically handsome man is someone like Ardbert.

Look just in some of those lists that exist on the internet and you see that we have quite a bit of variety in what counts as handsome. Jonny Depp, George Clooney, Ryan Renolds, Robert Pattison. And more. They are not that slender but I would count them more towards the midlander category.

Then look at famous and well liked japanese actors. Suddenly you will find a lot of slender men there that count as handsome to them.

This term is so open to interpretation and subjective view that its hard to use it.

I mean, female Viera are already "too buff" for some people, and the males have an even worse lifestyle, so it's most likely they would be at least athletic, not soft bishonen like if they came from a BL manga. Since they'd also likely have ear sliders and selection tab I doubt they'd have any muscle tone slider either, so SE would have to tread lightly /shrug

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

just put some gold saucer bunny ears on your lalafell

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Which I do from time-to-time, but hey still think it is time we had another small and unique body type playable character model in the game. I mean my character sits around in queue all day, my sedentary life style needs a proper reflection for my own self expression.

Joking aside I do wish the bunny ears removed the players ears.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Heck for me a classically handsome man is someone like Ardbert.

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Yes, for me as well. Which is why I've been pushing for that direction throughout the thread. I'd be happy if male viera were anywhere between the height and beefiness of Midlander men to Highlander men.

What some people are pushing for, however, is something skinnier and shorter than miqo'te men - which treads into uncomfortable territory when one considers that the physique that brings is no different to that of a child. Something which Yoshi-P has already ruled out, thankfully.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

just put some gold saucer bunny ears on your lalafell

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That could literally be said of any race in this game. If that's the case, put some on your character and let's close this thread down.

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Hmm, few people want chubby/petite bun guys. I mean, that is good. Aren't we all just wanting our fav flavour preferably to be realised?

But considering that one problem with female viera was their feet, I am getting hunch that IF missing genders are going to become true at all, the bodies are going to share as much as possible with existing character body bases. Disclaimer: I know verrryyy little about 3d.

Further. Sorry I do not have any more creditable scource for the next snippets.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Viera

"Final Fantasy XIV gives exposition to the elusive male viera, who are virtually identical at birth to females; only upon maturing they are able to be identified gender wise."

"The male viera are secretive, vicious, skilled hunters---"

Bun guys. Identical to females until puberty kicks in, and turns them into badass woodland warriors. Knowing what adult females look like... I'd like to know the logistics of dimorphism which would make male vieras into lithe and lalafel resembling O_o

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Originally Posted by Awha

Which I do from time-to-time, but hey still think it is time we had another small and unique body type playable character model in the game. I mean my character sits around in queue all day, my sedentary life style needs a proper reflection for my own self expression.

Joking aside I do wish the bunny ears removed the players ears.

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lalafell is as chubby as you'll get. if they ever decided to go down the route of adding more races (which, i don't think anyone would be opposed to them making more or less reskins with headswaps. give lalafell the hrothgar treatment and reskin them to have white fur and a pom and voila, youve got yourself an ivalician moogle)

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

lalafell is as chubby as you'll get. if they ever decided to go down the route of adding more races (which, i don't think anyone would be opposed to them making more or less reskins with headswaps. give lalafell the hrothgar treatment and reskin them to have white fur and a pom and voila, youve got yourself an ivalician moogle)

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I would be okay with that, though I still wish to promote the desire for big chungus. I mean people called out the devs before for being sexist, at this point I think they are fat shaming. They should add a body fat slider for every race, if they do not wish to add new races.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yes, for me as well. Which is why I've been pushing for that direction throughout the thread. I'd be happy if male viera were anywhere between the height and beefiness of Midlander men to Highlander men.

What some people are pushing for, however, is something skinnier and shorter than miqo'te men - which treads into uncomfortable territory when one considers that the physique that brings is no different to that of a child. Something which Yoshi-P has already ruled out, thankfully.

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Maybe we should not bring up a very small minority in this. There are still alot of people that want slender men that are for example more like male omega and that is far away from a child. Lets not put all of those that want slender Viera males into that strange category, thats not fair at all and in all the time that I have been here (and I have been here from the start) these kind of people are even less then those that want really buff viera.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

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What in the frickidy frick is that......just as the Viera females are elegant and feminine, so the Viera men should be masculine and strong. No androgynous stuff please.
There is no issue with slender men, bring them up BUT NOT AS VIERAS. Make a new k-pop fan race for that.
I vote Au Ra men with bun bun ears.

How do you know Yoshi ruled that out? Links?

Random thought.... Do the Viera even share a model? Like the Hrothgar clearly share the Roe model (here's to hoping if we get females they get the female body as well)
So if the Virea clearly have a similar model to another race, then I think that's a good indicator of how makes would look.....IF we even get them

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Random thought.... Do the Viera even share a model? Like the Hrothgar clearly share the Roe model (here's to hoping if we get females they get the female body as well)
So if the Virea clearly have a similar model to another race, then I think that's a good indicator of how makes would look.....IF we even get them

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

https://i.imgur.com/14msHpg.png
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Here you go

Wow, they really look almost the same. Just with edited shoulders, hand poses and different heads. Never noticed the smiliarities that much but those screens really opened my eyes. Should male Viera look similar to male Elezen, I really hope they make them look a bit more muscular and give them better poses and emotes.

next expansion we see both male and female of the new races seem likely since I suppect this area we be going to

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Originally Posted by Awha

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Just came back from my GM ordered vacation but I just wanted to keep the dream alive. This is the body type we need male buns, it is the only fair option if SE goal is diversity. Short and chunky is the best way.

Come on guys, best of both world those who want a short boi get it and those who want a round or pear shape boi get it. All happy faces!

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Release the C H U N G U S, SE!!!

But yeah when/if we get them they’ll be lifted from au ra or elezen models. Elezen would make the most sense since viera are supposed to be indistinguishable until they get to a certain age. The SE team is not going to listen to joke posts to create male viera...hell they probably won’t listen to the serious posts either if they have their vision set.

It’s fun to speculate though. I wonder if the males, like au ra horns, will have different ear options than the females? Perhaps one set a bit rougher (scars/wilder tufts/etc). Imo, I think a very bishounen face/build with tougher details would suit what we know of them.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Release the C H U N G U S, SE!!!

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Keep the dream alive! All this talk about slenderman boi with bunny ears must not over shadow the Chungus!

I hope we get male viera/female Hrothgar next expasion at least, it was bummer we still did not get them. Lore from older game is not a good reason for that, things can and should be different. Genderlock races and class in games always is bad, this is one of the main reason most korean MMO does not go well in the west.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

But yeah when/if we get them they’ll be lifted from au ra or elezen models. Elezen would make the most sense since viera are supposed to be indistinguishable until they get to a certain age. The SE team is not going to listen to joke posts to create male viera...hell they probably won’t listen to the serious posts either if they have their vision set.

It’s fun to speculate though. I wonder if the males, like au ra horns, will have different ear options than the females? Perhaps one set a bit rougher (scars/wilder tufts/etc). Imo, I think a very bishounen face/build with tougher details would suit what we know of them.

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Elezen would make more sense, but I hope is Au'ra

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

But yeah when/if we get them they’ll be lifted from au ra or elezen models. Elezen would make the most sense since viera are supposed to be indistinguishable until they get to a certain age. The SE team is not going to listen to joke posts to create male viera...hell they probably won’t listen to the serious posts either if they have their vision set.

It’s fun to speculate though. I wonder if the males, like au ra horns, will have different ear options than the females? Perhaps one set a bit rougher (scars/wilder tufts/etc). Imo, I think a very bishounen face/build with tougher details would suit what we know of them.

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Hmm, i'm of two mind on this. Of what I'm sure (IF we get them) is that there will be at least one bishounen face and one rugged face, if it'll be 50/50 on the "pretty boy/manly man" scale or if there'll be a weird in-between outlier, that I wouldn't bet either way.

For ears, the "easiest" path may be copying the females' ears and adapt them to the male head (and there would even be some justification with the "indistinguishable until puberty" line), but I sure as heck would LOVE to see wilder ears with bushier tufts, scars, or even a couple of holes near the top.

Was wondering do you think instead of adding new races instead they could add custom glam like lupin face, bunny ears that remove existing ears etc . . . I mean if they are going to double down on he limited gear options I would be cool with Glam options to make existing frames into things that I like.

Since the story recognizes your race from time to time, no, it would not be the same (for me).

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Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

Since the story recognizes your race from time to time, no, it would not be the same (for me).

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That is true, was trying to come up with a compromise that would give people a part of what they want without adding too much demand on the devs.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Was wondering do you think instead of adding new races instead they could add custom glam like lupin face, bunny ears that remove existing ears etc . . . I mean if they are going to double down on he limited gear options I would be cool with Glam options to make existing frames into things that I like.

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There is no need, they have another alternative. With the upcoming event anyone who has wanted to play a more beastly viera will have the opportunity for example. It seems.

My issues with that type of glam gear is that they lock you out of other gear in the same slot. Like the fox ears make it so one can't use the corsages or glasses or other hats (Not like Hroth/Viera can WEAR hats, but, y'know...). So if I wanted to make a male Viera (now) using the Bunny Crown, I'd have to give up using the peach corsage, or my elegant rimless glasses that are part of most of my sets.

...which is also why I wish they introduced more high heels, it's getting boring when everyone (including myself) is using the 2B boots or the Viera sandals <.<

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Originally Posted by Awha

I would be okay with that, though I still wish to promote the desire for big chungus. I mean people called out the devs before for being sexist, at this point I think they are fat shaming. They should add a body fat slider for every race, if they do not wish to add new races.

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I actually remember Yoshida being asked about weight slider, especially after Shadowbringers trailer was released with its fat Miqo'te. He wasn't that much opposed to the idea, but there's another problem than being opposed of having plump characters, and it's the way how armor works now. Currently, each clothes item replaces the appropriate part of body. To adress weight slider they would need to rework it maybe not from the scratch, but it still will be a significant amount of work. It's not impossible though - as far as I remember, clothes do recognize bust size for female characters. Though, in case with weight, adjusting the print of texture can be trickier.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

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I don't think we'll be getting weight sliders or any kind of option that significantly changes the shape of a race's body. At least, it's not very likely. Yoshi P seems to think it'd be better to make a new race rather than make body altering sliders.

"...if it is a customization option that significantly changes the shape of the races body, I think we would be better off to tackle the challenge of just introducing a new playable race all together instead."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKX...youtu.be&t=404

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't think we'll be getting weight sliders or any kind of option that significantly changes the shape of a race's body. At least, it's not very likely. Yoshi P seems to think it'd be better to make a new race rather than make body altering sliders.

"...if it is a customization option that significantly changes the shape of the races body, I think we would be better off to tackle the challenge of just introducing a new playable race all together instead."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKX...youtu.be&t=404

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Yeah, and considering the way our armor system works, I can understand his sentiments on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Yeah, and considering the way our armor system works, I can understand his sentiments on the matter.

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True I can see that, but I do think Yoishi P has an odd take, putting in the work to add more customization options would be an net positive for every player. Sure it might not be as marketable for an expansion as a new playable race.

Though if they were to go the new playable race options this game could use another lala arch type playable character, having them be plus size would just be icing on the cake.

If that cannot happen then I personally rather have glam options to alter existing player models in more dynamic ways. Sure I would not be able to wear other items, but it is something.

We're literally getting big chungus in upcoming Easter event

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Originally Posted by SamRF

We're literally getting big chungus in upcoming Easter event

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True, but still stands that those who prefer smaller races akin to lala still have the short end of the selectable player models. As much as it sucks if they were to add the other variants having them have a lala frame would be unfortunate. At the very least people have options to choose from with other desired body types and builds.

Lol lalafell players are facing a massive injustice!

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Originally Posted by SamRF

We're literally getting big chungus in upcoming Easter event

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It’s not enough.
They need to be bigger! Rounder! I want pictures of big chungus on my desk by tomorrow!

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

It’s not enough.
They need to be bigger! Rounder! I want pictures of big chungus on my desk by tomorrow!

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Yeah, pear shape or it is not authentic enough.

Can we honestly open a separate thread for this type of discussion. It has nothing to do with what this thread supposed to be.

I wouldn't want male viera to be designed in such a manner but they're not exactly going off-topic.

The discussion is a bit funny but Theodric is right, they are discussing the form of male Vieras. And with that they are keeping the thread alive and active. IMO this is a better discussion than just people attacking each other and a bit humor is quite nice in a time like right now. :)

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Can we honestly open a separate thread for this type of discussion. It has nothing to do with what this thread supposed to be.

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Out for curiosity how is it off topic?