Unless someone in game actually professes how worthless they are in party chat, I will just give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I think you and I are arguing the same thing, but wording it differently. DPSing as a healer is encouraged, meaning you should do it, but it's not "mandatory." To me, that word is what's causing so much trouble. Mandatory. Yoshi said healer dps is not "mandatory." Yet, nowhere did he said that healer dps is "discouraged." Just because yoshi said it's not mandatory doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. I hope this clears some things up.
I have been levelling up a 4th alt (my 4th healer to keep on topic-ish) for no other reason than to pass time (since I can't think of any logical reason I would need a 4th character). Oh and posting here, obviously.
This is true as well... I respond to these threads because.. well it is what is here. Believe me though I have a running tirade when someone is being poopy regardless of role.
Oh it's the Sylphies again.
We have been. Consistently. Unlike bad dps and tanks though, nobody ever defends them being awful except for a couple of idiots who get shouted down immediately. For some reason only healers try to defend their lousy play.
Like come on, there are multiple threads across this forum from the terminally lazy about how healers only heal. Find me one thread where a dps tries to say that they are a single target only dps and they don't have to AE and you don't pay their sub so you aren't allowed to dictate their playstyle. If it even exists I guarantee you it will be 95% of the posters in there telling the op to git gud.
It is harassment though. If someone tells a healer in a dungeon NOT to dps that's harassment too. I'm using the term in the same way they talk about harassment with parsers. There would be no conflict if no one makes a complaint. Of course there's a significant difference in the complaint if the person doesn't fill their role requirements (which is needed for a clear) or if they perform efficiently (good dps or healer/tanks optimizing dps).
In most cases, one asking the healers to dps creates the conflict. Some reply rudely or sometimes there are healers who tell tanks not to speed run before anyone says anything, this creates conflict too. Whoever imposes their playstyle in a DF group beyond the bare minimum are the ones who harass.
This is coming from someone who likes to dps as a healer and min-max as a dps. I don't particularly blame others for the frustration of healers not dpsing or the healers who feel they shouldn't. I blame the content for have so much downtime. This is a design issue and the conflict is just a symptom. However, until it is fixed the ones who antagonize the issue aren't helping. That is, telling others that their playstyle is wrong mid-clear when there's no issue clear. If it's just advice that's fine and if they don't take it then that's fine too.
I'm posting to contribute this thread to circle around till it reaches 200 pages before SB hits.
A bit off topic, but let me tell you a story about Duty, Honor, Country. Initially, the gargoyle had a decent chance to use his poison ability, I'd say 40% to 50%. At that time, the poison would kill a THM in four ticks. He'd usually open with the poison, you'd antidote it, and then work on killing him. Unless you were unlucky, and he'd re-apply that poison, which meant your antidote was still on its long cooldown. In my case, I landed that 40-50% six times in a row, immediately after using the antidote, and because the first poison got a tick off, the second poison would kill me in less than seven seconds.
For Gladiator, it wouldn't be a huge problem. But that gargoyle most likely has the most THM kills in the game, still to this day.
That has to be the most effective way for Yoshi to tell DPS players to git gud.
One day afk healers will realize that players asking them to follow their ABCs are generally not looking for a carry.
It seems to me that the "jumping, emote spamming" idle healer is something of a rarity? If I'm not DPSing, it's because I'm healing or because the party I'm with is so bad at avoiding damage that 5s in CS very well might result in a death. I've NEVER, literally not once, seen a healer idling when everyone is topped off. Matter of fact, I've died a few times when I've tanked with overzealous DPS healers.
I think the more reasonable take on the two sides is the Pro-DPS side expects effort (e.g. managing cooldowns, learning phases, getting a sense for the potency of HoTs etc.) all so you can squeeze in more DPS when feasible, and the other side is apprehensive about unreasonable expectations for healers to be considered 5th and 6th DPS places, or for healer DPS to be taken for granted. I don't think either side is really understanding one another. I don't think Pro-DPS folks expect a flawless DPS weave at all times, merely that healers try to DPS when they can. And I don't think the "heals only" camp is really arguing in favor of idling time, they just don't want to be pressured to be another DPS slot. But at the end of the day, we're just arguing in circles about what, in a few days, will not even matter.
The day people asking healers to dps aren't looking for a carry probably won't helping. Asking for help means that you are in fact asking someone to carry for you, and I have yet to see a single dps healer that doesn't consider their contribution carrying the team.
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