Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

i have character which is at HW, got only CT open and had few lvl 90 jobs.

looks like the ilvl requirement for roulette just follows your job. for my lvl50 sch it was 70, lvl 66 nin was 175 and lvl 90 mch was 565.

that and whatever you have unlocked. for that alt of mine it'll be CT, whatever the lvl of the job.

EDIT last test: nin was able to queue with 270 tomegear, but not in gear 130. so yeah, just follows your job.

I just ran into a problem with this while playing with friends. They're currently in Stormblood and we tried queuing for Alliance Roulette while we would chat. It denied us access and said they couldn't queue because their ilvl was too low. One of them is a level 79 BLM, one of the only jobs they've played. The ilvl requirement for them requires that they finish SB and get the level 70 poetics gear. But that won't be enough, when they finish SB, they're going to be over level 80, moving the requirement up again.

We used to like queuing up for Alliance Roulette because it was their best way to get poetics and it didn't require as much focus as Leveling or 50/60/70/80. With this change, they're now locked out of AR Roulettes until they either finish Endwalker, or drop the class they like and start a new one just to get their poetics.
Before the change, another friend power leveled a few classes while the rest of the group caught up to him in the story. But now he can't queue for ARs on most classes because he got most of them to 70 or higher.

I understand the purpose of this change was to give the roulettes more variety for veteran players. But it seems to have left new players behind, and requires more investment from them to participate in Alliance Roulettes. I worry that left as is, this change could alienate newcomers even more. It's taken years of convincing my friends to start playing XIV with me, and it took even more to convince them to continue after they nearly dropped the game during ARR.
The current AR Roullete system is just another barrier for newcomers. And I worry what the consequences could be for the community if this is left as it currently stands.

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Originally Posted by JudithCubby

I just ran into a problem with this while playing with friends. They're currently in Stormblood and we tried queuing for Alliance Roulette while we would chat. It denied us access and said they couldn't queue because their ilvl was too low. One of them is a level 79 BLM, one of the only jobs they've played. The ilvl requirement for them requires that they finish SB and get the level 70 poetics gear. But that won't be enough, when they finish SB, they're going to be over level 80, moving the requirement up again.

We used to like queuing up for Alliance Roulette because it was their best way to get poetics and it didn't require as much focus as Leveling or 50/60/70/80. With this change, they're now locked out of AR Roulettes until they either finish Endwalker, or drop the class they like and start a new one just to get their poetics.
Before the change, another friend power leveled a few classes while the rest of the group caught up to him in the story. But now he can't queue for ARs on most classes because he got most of them to 70 or higher.

I understand the purpose of this change was to give the roulettes more variety for veteran players. But it seems to have left new players behind, and requires more investment from them to participate in Alliance Roulettes. I worry that left as is, this change could alienate newcomers even more. It's taken years of convincing my friends to start playing XIV with me, and it took even more to convince them to continue after they nearly dropped the game during ARR.
The current AR Roullete system is just another barrier for newcomers. And I worry what the consequences could be for the community if this is left as it currently stands.

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I doubt there will be severe consequences for new players because the actual important thing for them is to queue into a specific raid via DF and they are not barred from that.

I do see it being a problem since new players still would like to get poetics and while they still have tons of alternatives to collect them via the other roulettes, denying AR roulette is just off putting.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

If the additional rewards were enough of an incentive to stop ilvl cheesing, they would've never added the ilvl lock in the first place.

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No, it was a combination. They didn't just stop ilvl cheese. They understood why people wanted to ilvl cheese in the first place. Like you said, CT was maximum reward for minimal effort. Now its more beneficial to get another alliance raid :).


Edit: To further clarify, if they just stopped ilvl cheese, less people would've done the roulette since they have less of a chance of getting a quick and easy CT. Now with the rewards properly balanced, people will continue to do the roulette.

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Originally Posted by JudithCubby

I just ran into a problem with this while playing with friends. They're currently in Stormblood and we tried queuing for Alliance Roulette while we would chat. It denied us access and said they couldn't queue because their ilvl was too low. One of them is a level 79 BLM, one of the only jobs they've played. The ilvl requirement for them requires that they finish SB and get the level 70 poetics gear. But that won't be enough, when they finish SB, they're going to be over level 80, moving the requirement up again.

We used to like queuing up for Alliance Roulette because it was their best way to get poetics and it didn't require as much focus as Leveling or 50/60/70/80. With this change, they're now locked out of AR Roulettes until they either finish Endwalker, or drop the class they like and start a new one just to get their poetics.
Before the change, another friend power leveled a few classes while the rest of the group caught up to him in the story. But now he can't queue for ARs on most classes because he got most of them to 70 or higher.

I understand the purpose of this change was to give the roulettes more variety for veteran players. But it seems to have left new players behind, and requires more investment from them to participate in Alliance Roulettes. I worry that left as is, this change could alienate newcomers even more. It's taken years of convincing my friends to start playing XIV with me, and it took even more to convince them to continue after they nearly dropped the game during ARR.
The current AR Roullete system is just another barrier for newcomers. And I worry what the consequences could be for the community if this is left as it currently stands.

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people forget there is other gear that is more than sufficient. the AF gear from StB level 70 job quests is more than enough to and another way is centurio seals from hunts to get Ala mihgo or lost allagan gear from the vendor in kugane for example but i suggest they start doing other jobs or save lower level jobs strictly for AR once they outlevel the AR requirements.

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Originally Posted by JudithCubby

I understand the purpose of this change was to give the roulettes more variety for veteran players.

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Just to clear up this misconception, the purpose of the change is to make sure queues get filled with other players when a player queues for any specific alliance raid. That's the whole reason there is a roulette in the first place. Variety for people doing the roulette is just a nice side benefit of the change.

I do think they should fix the issue for players still going through story, preferably by making a check on which raids the player has unlocked as well as their level.

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Originally Posted by JudithCubby

I just ran into a problem with this while playing with friends. They're currently in Stormblood and we tried queuing for Alliance Roulette while we would chat. It denied us access and said they couldn't queue because their ilvl was too low. One of them is a level 79 BLM, one of the only jobs they've played. The ilvl requirement for them requires that they finish SB and get the level 70 poetics gear. But that won't be enough, when they finish SB, they're going to be over level 80, moving the requirement up again.

We used to like queuing up for Alliance Roulette because it was their best way to get poetics and it didn't require as much focus as Leveling or 50/60/70/80. With this change, they're now locked out of AR Roulettes until they either finish Endwalker, or drop the class they like and start a new one just to get their poetics.
Before the change, another friend power leveled a few classes while the rest of the group caught up to him in the story. But now he can't queue for ARs on most classes because he got most of them to 70 or higher.

I understand the purpose of this change was to give the roulettes more variety for veteran players. But it seems to have left new players behind, and requires more investment from them to participate in Alliance Roulettes. I worry that left as is, this change could alienate newcomers even more. It's taken years of convincing my friends to start playing XIV with me, and it took even more to convince them to continue after they nearly dropped the game during ARR.
The current AR Roullete system is just another barrier for newcomers. And I worry what the consequences could be for the community if this is left as it currently stands.

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This can be fixed by them going to the market board and buying gear, any level cap crafted gear from that expansion will have more than enough item level to let them queue again, and most of them will be dirt cheap or easy to craft for someone who's an endgame crafter.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

This can be fixed by them going to the market board and buying gear, any level cap crafted gear from that expansion will have more than enough item level to let them queue again, and most of them will be dirt cheap or easy to craft for someone who's an endgame crafter.

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It’s not a fix. Not only it renders all other gear useless, it’s going to be an even bigger problem when 7.0 is released as there will no craftable gear for maybe a month or so and when it becomes available, it will be at outrageous prices for a long while. The latest craftable gear is initially meant to get people ready for the new savage tier and making it a requirement to run ARs 10-50 levels below is stupid and shows how little thought SE has put into this. Not over levelling is almost impossible in this game nowadays.

No one is against an iLvl requirement but it has to be paired with a check on MSQ progress to ensure that players have access to the corresponding tome gear and tier of raids. If not, SE should make tome gear available in all main cities based on job level and not MSQ progress as it currently is (you can’t use the gear vendors in Radz-at-Han even if you’re lvl 90 and have access to the city as long as you have not completed 6.0 and the same goes with all previous expansions). It’s still not ideal as it still renders all other gear before endgame useless but it’s better than the MB.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

It’s not a fix. Not only it renders all other gear useless, it’s going to be an even bigger problem when 7.0 is released as there will no craftable gear for maybe a month or so and when it becomes available, it will be at outrageous prices for a long while. The latest craftable gear is initially meant to get people ready for the new savage tier and making it a requirement to run ARs 10-50 levels below is stupid and shows how little thought SE has put into this. Not over levelling is almost impossible in this game nowadays.

No one is against an iLvl requirement but it has to be paired with a check on MSQ progress to ensure that players have access to the corresponding tome gear and tier of raids.

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It is a fix for lower levels, any level 70 crafted gear would take the person in that situation over the requirement. Any Artifact gear would as well, so the only requirement for level 100 characters in Dawntrail is they need to have at least the free artifact gear. Even then, the required gear level is for the first alliance raid at that level, so there would be no requirement on level 100 till the new alliance raid comes out in 7.1 and long after crafted has dropped off and more gear above the required level has dropped from dungeons. None of this gear is hard to get and you should be gearing as you go anyway.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Or CT could go into the MSQ roulette if you really wanted to keep the number of roulettes down.

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OMG this would be hilarious if they did it.
For one it actually makes sense CT is required for MSQ where all other alliance raids are optional, but it would also really piss off the ilvl cheesers as there's a significant chance they end up stuck in Praetorium.

For those of us who actually do MSQ on the regular, it'd be nice to have a bit more variety too