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Twitter, Tumblr and Reddit aren't as heavily moderated as this place is which leads to those problems and the weird gate-keeping that goes on in regards to what issues are 'allowed' to be discussed. I avoid all three these days and feel a lot happier and safer because of it.

It does bother me that our community representatives opt to make use of Twitter and Reddit but are rarely seen here these days - it suggests to me that they're just getting a very biased and one sided account as to what the community desire and it'd certainly explain the more controversial decisions involving the game and its continued development.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Says the person who exploded in some laughable fit of rage when it was pointed out they're yet another in an ocean of waifus whining about the prospect of adding a male character option.

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Mind elaborating?
I don't remember getting into some "laughable fit of rage" over being pointed out about something-something ocean of waifus or even Male Options.
Sounds like hot garbage your making up, unless you can give me a refresher.

I don't think MMO's will ever truly go away as they fulfill a niche that just can't be found anywhere else. Worse yet, a lot of multiplayer games simply don't have a proper chat function built in and so it's pretty hard to socialise in the same way as you can in the likes of FFXIV and WoW.

It is a bit disheartening that Yoshi-P speaks of them 'fading away', since I don't see that happening - unless they're literally pushed off of a cliff in order to make room for something else.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It does bother me that our community representatives opt to make use of Twitter and Reddit but are rarely seen here these days - it suggests to me that they're just getting a very biased and one sided account as to what the community desire and it'd certainly explain the more controversial decisions involving the game and its continued development.

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Considering an SE poll awhile back showed that something like only 1% of FFXIV players use the forums, if the devs only based their decisions on what the English General Discussion forum was talking about, it would be a very biased one-sided account too.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Considering an SE poll awhile back showed that something like only 1% of FFXIV players use the forums, if the devs only based their decisions on what the English General Discussion forum was talking about, it would be a very biased one-sided account too.

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The people who post here are generally more invested in the game on a long term basis though. Furthermore, a large part of the reason as to why so few people post here is due to the lack of presence of the community representatives, the lack of responses to legitimate issues (such as the controversy of EU players not getting a promotion for the Black Fat Chocobo mount as NA and JP players) and other factors such as this site not being updated in many years.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't think MMO's will ever truly go away as they fulfill a niche that just can't be found anywhere else. Worse yet, a lot of multiplayer games simply don't have a proper chat function built in and so it's pretty hard to socialise in the same way as you can in the likes of FFXIV and WoW.

It is a bit disheartening that Yoshi-P speaks of them 'fading away', since I don't see that happening - unless they're literally pushed off of a cliff in order to make room for something else.

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They just aren't the money makes they used to be. They still make profit, like FFXIV, but they don't make all of the profit. I think SE wants a hit, and most publishers try to copy stuff like Fortnite, etc. Publsihers work off the idea of not just making a lot of money, ALL of the money. Making ridiculous expectations each and every following year. Greed is what is destroying the industry; a lack of passion

Granted, Yoshida might just be done with this game, and wants to try something new. I do think SE is taking too much from this game and not putting enough back in though.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They just aren't the money makes they used to be. They still make profit, like FFXIV, but they don't make all of the profit. I think SE wants a hit, and most publishers try to copy stuff like Fortnite, etc. Publsihers work off the idea of not just making a lot of money, ALL of the money. Making ridiculous expectations each and every following year.

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I agree with this. New MMOs aren't seen as worth the investment anymore. Perhaps they won't ever completely fade into obscurity, but I don't ever see the MMO genre ever seeing a smash success that major gaming publishers desire ever again.

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Originally Posted by Arcari

I agree with this. New MMOs aren't seen as worth the investment anymore. Perhaps they won't ever completely fade into obscurity, but I don't ever see the MMO genre ever seeing a smash success that major gaming publishers desire ever again.

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I think SWTOR was like at the time the most expensive game to make? Rather to elaborate, they do fill a profitable niche as theodric said, but they aren't fortnite money makers. Publishers can invest time and money into a quicker, cheaper to make project and make as much and more.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think SWTOR was like at the time the most expensive game to make? Rather to elaborate, they do fill a profitable niche as theodric said, but they aren't fortnite money makers. Publishers can invest time and money into a quicker, cheaper to make project and make as much and more.

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Case in point, the XV MMO they're developing for mobiles, to be released in China first. I don't know if it'll be P2P or F2P but the latter are virtual money-making machines and more profitable then their subscription based counterparts. I'm also afraid it may end up a Fortnite copy with a XV-flavour.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Case in point, the XV MMO they're developing for mobiles, to be released in China first. I don't know if it'll be P2P or F2P but the latter are virtual money-making machines and more profitable then their subscription based counterparts. I'm also afraid it may end up a Fortnite copy with a XV-flavour.

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Mobile gaming really is one of the worst things that happened to the industry.

Don't get me wrong, there are some legit good mobile games out there, but the majority of them are nothing more than shallow, cynical cash grabs. It sucks; I used to be a huge advocate of mobile gaming before it became little more than ways to suck out every penny from consumers, everything else be damned.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They just aren't the money makes they used to be. They still make profit, like FFXIV, but they don't make all of the profit. I think SE wants a hit, and most publishers try to copy stuff like Fortnite, etc. Publsihers work off the idea of not just making a lot of money, ALL of the money. Making ridiculous expectations each and every following year. Greed is what is destroying the industry; a lack of passion

Granted, Yoshida might just be done with this game, and wants to try something new. I do think SE is taking too much from this game and not putting enough back in though.

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They seem to think their consumers have moved on. Both here and here.

I think the overall strategy is continue to build on XIV for as long as it's profitable by doing the minimum necessary. Hopefully I am wrong or they may review their strategy if doing that begins to threaten a stable source of cash, but it's the definite impression I get from all their commentary and their recent actions.

My issue with mobile games is that they're often designed from the ground up to be addictive and predatory - with harsh grinds and very little story. They're hyped up as being super convenient due to being easy to play on the go, but that isn't anything new or groundbreaking since we already saw that play out with handheld devices.

I think a lot of it is investors pushing for such things and spreading doubt among consumers when it comes to what is successful and what isn't. There was a controversy about single player games being 'dead' not too long ago, yet sales numbers for single player titles proved that statement to be incorrect. I think it was to do with the latest God of War game?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

My issue with mobile games is that they're often designed from the ground up to be addictive and predatory - with harsh grinds and very little story. They're hyped up as being super convenient due to being easy to play on the go, but that isn't anything new or groundbreaking since we already saw that play out with handheld devices.

I think a lot of it is investors pushing for such things and spreading doubt among consumers when it comes to what is successful and what isn't. There was a controversy about single player games being 'dead' not too long ago, yet sales numbers for single player titles proved that statement to be incorrect. I think it was to do with the latest God of War game?

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That is exactly what they are designed for. There is this infamous mobile game design video going over how to squeeze the most money out of it's consumers on YouTube somewhere.

Yeah, it's funny. EA is the one who said that I think, and their singleplayer releases like Fallen Order prove them wrong, with the disappointments of their online games. I don't know what's going on with publishers and the like, an echo chamber?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That is exactly what they are designed for. There is this infamous mobile game design video going over how to squeeze the most money out of it's consumers on YouTube somewhere.

Yeah, it's funny. EA is the one who said that I think, and their singleplayer releases like Fallen Order prove them wrong, with the disappointments of their online games. I don't know what's going on with publishers and the like, an echo chamber?

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I still hold that EA is one of the WORST companies in that aspect (although Bethesda has been getting close with their approach to F76): The whole Star Wars Battfront II fiasco which actually forced them to stop microtransactions in that game. The Sims 3 Store "exclusive content", and gutting of many fan-loved features from the base Sims 4 game. The "always online" fiasco with SimCity which actually killed the series...

There was definitely a shift in focus since my last post but I can roll with this. There seems to be the urge among developers to try and copy the latest trend. So when a sandbox game did phenomenal suddenly everyone wanted to put out a sandbox game, and open world games, and then with the popularity of Destiny game what I think has been called "games as service" or whatever a persistent online game can be called that doesn't quite make the MMO threshold. We are seeing the persistent online model die out though and maybe single player complete stories can make a return, or the next new thing will take hold of the market and major developers will all try to emulate that one as well. I do enjoy mobile games though, even though I get frustrated by the gatcha mechanics of Brave Exvius. I have been wanting to draw Ashe for months now and just never get her, and I am not spending any real money on it so I will just have to exercise patience.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Lore also says that male Miqo'te are isolationists who rarely leave their tribe. Go take a walk through any given city and see how many you spot. Of course, this goes into the question of the canonical status of other players.....

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It's not just that they rarely leave their tribe, but that they're rare even within their tribe. Go to Forgotten Springs or The Peering Stones and tell me how many male cat NPCs you see. I believe between both settlements you should see three males to forty-something females.

Sure, I support it as long as they are more fully realized and not restricted on headgear

"Mobile" gaming means two things:

The term in itself means bad hardware. And it's easy to create games for outdated or low profile hardware; you can find easy excuses for this. A big junk of the experience is nonetheless the graphic fidelity, and how is a passively cooled system that throttles down do 20% of their (already low) computing power to deliver that? The result are mediocre games often, because the low effort on the technical specs also often results in general lack of passion. Who wants to renovate a Ford Mustang with a Trabant 600 engine undernath? Anyone? No? Why?

The other reason is being "mobile". Who plays "mobile"? What kind of quality do you get out of that? In the loud train, or on the toilet stall at the disco? What is mobile gaming? With this in mind, the developers can make up quick (and boring) tasks. Fast games, low quality and shallow because you have to eat it in 5-15 minute brackets. How is the dedication from both players and developers supposed to come from? When I sit down to play a video game, I do that on proper hardware, with proper audio sorce, in a proper seat investing the upcoming 2 hours into it. Not on a rambling bus with earbuds when I have to leave in the next 2 stops anyways.


"Mobile" "gaming" is what used to be Tetris and Snake - real quick games supposed to be shallow. But if they try to squeeze Diablo or Final Fantasy into such an environment, there will be cuts and losses to quality and emphasis left and right, and I would never invest a monthly fee or 30/40€ for those half-baked software titles at all.

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Originally Posted by MrKusakabe

"Mobile" gaming means two things:

The term in itself means bad hardware. And it's easy to create games for outdated or low profile hardware; you can find easy excuses for this. A big junk of the experience is nonetheless the graphic fidelity, and how is a passively cooled system that throttles down do 20% of their (already low) computing power to deliver that? The result are mediocre games often, because the low effort on the technical specs also often results in general lack of passion. Who wants to renovate a Ford Mustang with a Trabant 600 engine undernath? Anyone? No? Why?

The other reason is being "mobile". Who plays "mobile"? What kind of quality do you get out of that? In the loud train, or on the toilet stall at the disco? What is mobile gaming? With this in mind, the developers can make up quick (and boring) tasks. Fast games, low quality and shallow because you have to eat it in 5-15 minute brackets. How is the dedication from both players and developers supposed to come from? When I sit down to play a video game, I do that on proper hardware, with proper audio sorce, in a proper seat investing the upcoming 2 hours into it. Not on a rambling bus with earbuds when I have to leave in the next 2 stops anyways.


"Mobile" "gaming" is what used to be Tetris and Snake - real quick games supposed to be shallow. But if they try to squeeze Diablo or Final Fantasy into such an environment, there will be cuts and losses to quality and emphasis left and right, and I would never invest a monthly fee or 30/40€ for those half-baked software titles at all.

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Some previous FF titles have been released on the mobile market, as well as some other well developed games. I think you're confusing mobile and freemium, or games that are made to get money from its users. There are games on mobile platforms that are well developed, despite not having the latest or greatest in graphic design. I should also remind you that FF14 also doesn't have what would be considered a high graphic fidelity in comparison to most recently released games, so using that as a primary metric for measuring quality is not a good practice.

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Originally Posted by TheCount

Sure, I support it as long as they are more fully realized and not restricted on headgear

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The limited headgear would be frustrating, though if they looked good overall I'd be willing to stomach it so long as we saw male viera added to the game. I rarely use headgear on my character anyway so I can see his face - and the only reason I'm using a circlet is because it's a good stand in for a Garlean third eye.

It's a shame that it's apparently so difficult to adjust headgear to fit Hrothgar and Viera. Which begs the question as to why they were added in the first place over enhanced customisation for the existing playable races...but we're past that point for now. Either way, I hope the headgear situation won't be exploited as a convenient excuse not to add the missing genders.

My primary hope is that alongside more customisation for Hrothgar and Viera we'll be seeing more stuff added for the older races. It'd be bizarre for the development team to ignore the Highlander eyebrow situation and strong desire for the stubble used by the Warrior of Darkness. Especially when Blizzard are planning to enhance customisation across the board for their playable races in WoW.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a shame that it's apparently so difficult to adjust headgear to fit Hrothgar and Viera. Which begs the question as to why they were added in the first place over enhanced customisation for the existing playable races...

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That question has already been answered before. The framework for the character creation sliders and features and how the server recognizes them is really archaic and was not optimal even when the original 1.0 was launched. In the past SE said the only way to add new features is to either decrease the amount of characters you can see on the screen (due to how the server loads the values) or to throw out the code and start all over.

I would have preferred SE to throw out everything from 1.0 from the code to the story. They probably made the decision to do what they did based on money and time and this is where we are now. Maybe I’m just jaded after playing this for game for nearly a decade minus the downtime between 1.0 and ARR, but all you’re going to get from asking for stubble, eyebrows, and male viera is SE saying “we’ll look into it” and never bringing it up again.

My hope is that the next FF MMO is also helmed by Yoshi-P and he will have more freedom to do what he wants from the ground up since it seems like whenever they want to do anything, they’re reined in by the constraints of the 1.0 code.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

That question has already been answered before. The framework for the character creation sliders and features and how the server recognizes them is really archaic and was not optimal even when the original 1.0 was launched. In the past SE said the only way to add new features is to either decrease the amount of characters you can see on the screen (due to how the server loads the values) or to throw out the code and start all over.

I would have preferred SE to throw out everything from 1.0 from the code to the story. They probably made the decision to do what they did based on money and time and this is where we are now. Maybe I’m just jaded after playing this for game for nearly a decade minus the downtime between 1.0 and ARR, but all you’re going to get from asking for stubble, eyebrows, and male viera is SE saying “we’ll look into it” and never bringing it up again.

My hope is that the next FF MMO is also helmed by Yoshi-P and he will have more freedom to do what he wants from the ground up since it seems like whenever they want to do anything, they’re reined in by the constraints of the 1.0 code.

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As much as I enjoy XIV and like most of the things Yoshi-P and his team have done, I want the next MMO if there is another to be directed by someone new. He has had his time as director and done some great things, but I feel he doesn't want to stray at all from the proven successful ideas of other franchises, even if they are becoming tired. I would like a new MMO to have a completely new set of ideas and visions.

I don't doubt that spaghetti code is a legitimate issue. With that said, they've cited it for a problem on many fronts and have overcome it with time so I still think it's something they should be tackling when they can. It'd be a great way to future proof the game and broaden the appeal. They've invested in the ability for gear to alter butt size so there's no real obstacle when it comes to creative use of gear to bring about something as simple as additional stubble and scar options.

I'd say it's more likely that they just know they can get away with dismissing male characters because the backlash isn't as big as when something goes 'wrong' with the female models.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

As much as I enjoy XIV and like most of the things Yoshi-P and his team have done, I want the next MMO if there is another to be directed by someone new. He has had his time as director and done some great things, but I feel he doesn't want to stray at all from the proven successful ideas of other franchises, even if they are becoming tired. I would like a new MMO to have a completely new set of ideas and visions.

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I'm inclined to agree. I'm not sure if they'll make another MMO along the lines of XIV, but building a new engine for such an MMO from the ground up would be awesome... but assuming they won't, I just wish they'd do it for XIV.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'm inclined to agree. I'm not sure if they'll make another MMO along the lines of XIV, but building a new engine for such an MMO from the ground up would be awesome... but assuming they won't, I just wish they'd do it for XIV.

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Perhaps at the end of this expansion, we will see a 1.0 style calamity and thus begin anew with a fresh engine :P

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Let's show them bunny bois some love

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'm inclined to agree. I'm not sure if they'll make another MMO along the lines of XIV, but building a new engine for such an MMO from the ground up would be awesome... but assuming they won't, I just wish they'd do it for XIV.

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i would hope they take in consideration how much the player base like Customization and improve upon that for the next FF mmo

I fully support semi-anthro bunny boys and amazonian lioness furries. Here's hoping Squeenix will eventually add them.

Those who are just seeing this thread, don't forget to visit the sister thread for amazonian lion ladies.

Let me dress up handsome bunny boi in the dapper Valentine vest YoshiP (｡•́︿•̀｡)

Still need this

I was currently talking to a friend about the races of FFXIV and we both agreed that there are not enough options to create a handsome and mature looking guy. Either they look goofy, overly cute, like a child, boring, edgy or have a body type which we do not like, for example Au Ra with their wide hips. Hopefully Viera will fit us better should they ever be implemented :)

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Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

I was currently talking to a friend about the races of FFXIV and we both agreed that there are not enough options to create a handsome and mature looking guy. Either they look goofy, overly cute, like a child, boring, edgy or have a body type which we do not like, for example Au Ra with their wide hips. Hopefully Viera will fit us better should they ever be implemented :)

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Yeah, unfortunately that's what happens when too many compromises are made. I'd really like an option to play a guy that is tall, well-built and with a classically handsome/ruggedly handsome face design along the lines of Jecht, Snow or Gladio. I really like the way in which Highlander men are built but their faces - and lack of eyebrows - leave much to be desired. Roegadyn and Hrothgar are far too bulky for my tastes. Elezen are far too lanky and weirdly proportioned. Au Ra are...alright, though as you say the hips are too wide which makes a lot of gear look odd on them. Miqo'te are too short and...well, Midlanders ended up being the best compromise simply because they're classically handsome and don't have as many issues as the other options.

well with the new relic quest linked to Ivalice,related to Hrothgar and quest is written by Matsuno himself there's at least hope of seeing at least one of the two missing genders
i wont get my hopes up but if they are gonna reveal them it will be in that quest line since its a bit random that it has alot of Ivalice and Hrothgar relevance.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

well with the new relic quest linked to Ivalice,related to Hrothgar and quest is written by Matsuno himself there's at least hope of seeing at least one of the two missing genders
i wont get my hopes up but if they are gonna reveal them it will be in that quest line since its a bit random that it has alot of Ivalice and Hrothgar relevance.

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I was thinking this as well. It absolutely doesn't mean anything yet, but I do wonder if they'll ask for his input on certain other relevant topics since they're keeping him around?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

well with the new relic quest linked to Ivalice,related to Hrothgar and quest is written by Matsuno himself there's at least hope of seeing at least one of the two missing genders
i wont get my hopes up but if they are gonna reveal them it will be in that quest line since its a bit random that it has alot of Ivalice and Hrothgar relevance.

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Considering the questline is titled Save the Queen, we better see that sword or a queen Hrothgar or something is clearly mislabled

Save the Queen may turn out to be a Gunblade this time around, seeing how GNB is tied to Hrothgar Lore. Which for purposes of this thread is a little irrelevant...

On topic: Heck yeah, Ivalice, Hroths, AND Matsuno? Sign me up! And PLEASE, for all that is Holy/Unholy, tease the missing genders.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Save the Queen may turn out to be a Gunblade this time around, seeing how GNB is tied to Hrothgar Lore. Which for purposes of this thread is a little irrelevant...

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Well the quest itself is called save the queen its not a stretch for a quest name reference to overlap
Especially considering how good ff localization is

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Considering the questline is titled Save the Queen, we better see that sword or a queen Hrothgar or something is clearly mislabled

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They COULD tease female hrothgar.... or they could just have her sitting off screen in the back of a gated off cave like the sahagin queen in Ondo Cups....