Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut

+1 for short athletic bunny men!
I'd like them to be similar to Drow men. (Except of course the social oppression from female counterparts.)

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Good reading! I appreciate some good references to back a take. Beyond being mostly evil, I can definitely see the similarities between them and what we know of male Viera (being silent assassins and all).. and Viera lore definitely yeets the men away from a life enjoyed in relative comfort and social contact. I would like for something similar in terms of size, tbh. Not Au Ra levels of dimorphism (which isn't the case with Drow anyways), but different from the norm. Short doesn't have to equal somehow worse or less than the women, and I think its a slightly more creative take than just having them be The Two Genders Personified yet again.

+1! Thanks for putting effort into your post :)

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Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut

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Very interesting read. They sort of remind me of the bosmer from elder scrolls in terms of height. Bosmer males are shorter than bosmer females. While I don't care that much about male viera's height, I think it would be nice and unique if they were slightly shorter than the females. However, it's not as if I would be really bothered if the males were taller. Honestly, I think if male viera are added, a max height male viera would most likely be taller than a max height female viera.

I haven't really caught up on the current discussion in the thread, but I saw something about hrothgar. Personally, I was never opposed to the addition of a beast race to this game. Initially, I thought the addition of male hrothgar was a good thing - of course I was disappointed there was no male viera, but I understood people wanted a beast-like race for a while now. Adding female viera and male hrothgar made the most amount of people happy imo. The people who got viera got what they wanted, and the people who wanted a beast-like race got what they wanted. I was cool with it until we learned that male hrothgar's hair was tied to its face. This means players would have to fantasia to have access to certain hairstyles - a problem even female viera doesn't face. Because of this, I thought maybe male viera should have been added instead after all.

I don't really mind the fact hrothgar is using a male roegadyn base or anything. I think hrothgars make a nice addition to the game. If their hair wasn't attached to their face, I would say that adding male hrothgar alongside female viera was for the best.

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Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...d8c88b1954.png

Male Viera about the size of Female Midlander.

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Huh. I actually kind of like that. As I’ve said in the past:

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I don’t really care how tall they are (unless they’re really short like Lalafells.) as long as I can give mine a huge beard and, some scars.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Indeed - they can toy with the extent of the height difference the height slider allows, rather than making them short as a rule.

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height sliders in this game, though, aren't just height, they also adjust girth/width.

So they can't, with the current system, have extreme height potential on the sex without also having the small height appear extremely slender, the large height appearing chonk, or both.

That said.... I don't get where this concept that the males should be smaller keeps popping up from... the Au Ra are pretty off putting for me in just how large the height difference is, and I would side with others in this thread who want them to be right about the same height. The men don't need to be explicitly smaller, even exact same height options would work since female viera are so tall already.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

height sliders in this game, though, aren't just height, they also adjust girth/width.

So they can't, with the current system, have extreme height potential on the sex without also having the small height appear extremely slender, the large height appearing chonk, or both.

That said.... I don't get where this concept that the males should be smaller keeps popping up from... the Au Ra are pretty off putting for me in just how large the height difference is, and I would side with others in this thread who want them to be right about the same height. The men don't need to be explicitly smaller, even exact same height options would work since female viera are so tall already.

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Same place as the concept that says the men should be explicitly taller: "just because". It's preference, really, but some people are adamant on not letting others have opinions or interests. I'd prefer them be just a bit shorter than the women, but not by more than a head or so; and even then, like Senn said, I wouldn't be bothered if they were the same height or a tad taller; I just have a preference on the matter.

Would defo main male Viera if they were in the game so I'm 100% in for having them (alongside Fem Hrothgar ofc). I would love them to have a pretty boy look to them but also give them some faces that are more on the tough look for people that don't dig the pretty boy look. Oh and yeah a good range of height is always a plus. Also hope they touch upon the headgear/hairstyle access for the Viera and Hrothgar because that's also kind of an issue itself.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

It doesn't ignore anything, its a simple fact and statement that 1 game has been around much longer then the other. Somehow a simple fact ignores points and opinions.
I could make a soft bet that if FFXIV has been around as long it would have more customization options.

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A game that came out later than another should imo be improved. I doubt people would accept a shooter with shooter mechanics from ten years ago. They would rightfully say that a game from 2019 should have learned from past games and improved on it. This is the same with FF14. Its younger than WoW so it should have at least more improvements or not lacking behind other games in that section. Of course they cant do everything the best but their customization is a joke, their housing is a joke, glamour storage is a joke and so on.

Its a great MMO but they could and should improve.

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

Same place as the concept that says the men should be explicitly taller: "just because". It's preference, really, but some people are adamant on not letting others have opinions or interests. I'd prefer them be just a bit shorter than the women, but not by more than a head or so; and even then, like Senn said, I wouldn't be bothered if they were the same height or a tad taller; I just have a preference on the matter.

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mildly shorter, sure. Not ideal, but not what I personally want to see....

I'm thinking more of the posts from people who want them massively shorter, like lalafel levels of short. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for a fantasy game, but there are sometimes sticking points, especially when they're been so baked into the lore, where I have a hard time doing so. To me, it would seem if the men of a race are that much smaller, that the larger females would then consider them weaker and needing them to protect them, so they would never be allowed to leave the villages and likely would be forced into subservient roles to the much stronger and larger females than being kicked out to fend for themselves.

But that's just my thoughts on the matter.... and why I think they should be close to the same height.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Its a great MMO but they could and should improve.

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Nobody can or will argue this

Ok guys, so after lookig through everything I could find regarding this issue and learning quite a lot from a game developer and an animator who I met at my university, Im gonna say, dont expect this a day sooner than 6.0. Even if they could release it in 5 minutes, male vier and female hrotgar are literally enough to sell an expac by themselves, and they will be using that for that exact thing when 6.0 comes arround. Once 5.5 comes arround though, I think its EXTREMELY likely we will be teased with a female hrotgar model in Bozja Citadel and we will see a male viera as part of the MsQ. Then, the second fanfest comes arround and they're both showcased in a trailer. The third one comes and after saying everything else, they go: Oh yes, and guys, it has been a lot of work for the team but we can deliver on what you were asking for!. After seeing a documentari on the birth and rebirth of FFXIV, I'm sure they'll do this. Yoshida said that even if it costs millions, its worth using every penny to ensure that the customer will keep playing your game and trusting on your decisionmaking, and while most ppl wont leave the game because of this, this can ensure that there will also be something that will still be pulling players to keep playing the game and regain their trust with a few, yet important individuals. Additionally, I think its clear they are plannign on releasing them. Just not anytime soon,. Its still over 1 year away. The way the gender icons are portrayed in CC, hwo we almost see a male viera in raktika and they say they wish he could be introduced to us, the way that we ae going into Bozja Citadel and we will likely find a female hrotghar there, how limited the new races are, since that is quite likely to be due to them also working on 2 more models, if not it would be very strange for SE not to be able to finish soemthing like 2 character models in almost 2 years. Just guys, have a bit of patience until 6.0 and Im quite sure this will be added. (btw this isnt confirmed so it isnt any announcement, there's a chance that we will never have them playable)

oh and btw t oall my lovely fme vieras and male hrots, I think you will get hairstyles and headgear quite soon (or I hope so) and before the current ones are finished I dont think it would be wise to release the missing genders (my bet is your stuff will get fixed in 5.2-5.4)

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Ok guys, so after lookig through everything I could find regarding this issue and learning quite a lot from a game developer and an animator who I met at my university, Im gonna say, dont expect this a day sooner than 6.0

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So the same thing you have been saying?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

So the same thing you have been saying?

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nope. I used to say that I expected them before the expac. Also I didnt meet neither of this persons before. Oh and nice to see you all btw

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Originally Posted by Antinous

Would defo main male Viera if they were in the game so I'm 100% in for having them (alongside Fem Hrothgar ofc). I would love them to have a pretty boy look to them but also give them some faces that are more on the tough look for people that don't dig the pretty boy look. Oh and yeah a good range of height is always a plus. Also hope they touch upon the headgear/hairstyle access for the Viera and Hrothgar because that's also kind of an issue itself.

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Ive been looking and it seems Yoshida has confirmed how male viera will look if they are implemented he specifically stated: 'they would be more like the elezen race, but with bunny ears' so a similar treatment to female viera. Take male elezen animations give them higer quality and I think theyll give them supermodel faces bunny ears a male miqote body and a loincloth for starter gear and done

Yes to male viera and female hrothgar, as it needs to go without saying. If I had to choose only one to have in the game in the future, please let it be male viera. Lore has already been twisted and broken for the huge abundance of female viera already, not to mention male miqo'te and female roegadyn of the past.

I know this post is months old now, but I pray people will see this and know there is no lack of want for the viera to be completed! Even if it is far into the future, PLEASE let male viera happen!! The design idea of them being a bit shorter than the females is cute too, but no extreme height dimorphism like with the au ra, though.

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Originally Posted by Clever-Gemini

Yes to male viera and female hrothgar, as it needs to go without saying. If I had to choose only one to have in the game in the future, please let it be male viera. Lore has already been twisted and broken for the huge abundance of female viera already, not to mention male miqo'te and female roegadyn of the past.

I know this post is months old now, but I pray people will see this and know there is no lack of want for the viera to be completed! Even if it is far into the future, PLEASE let male viera happen!! The design idea of them being a bit shorter than the females is cute too, but no extreme height dimorphism like with the au ra, though.

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I wouldnt like male viera to eb like female au ra at all. The mistake was already commtied once no reason to make it again. If anything I'd want female au ra to be able otb e waaay taller (at least xaela) and height is extremely easy to edit

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Originally Posted by Clever-Gemini

Yes to male viera and female hrothgar, as it needs to go without saying. If I had to choose only one to have in the game in the future, please let it be male viera. Lore has already been twisted and broken for the huge abundance of female viera already, not to mention male miqo'te and female roegadyn of the past.

I know this post is months old now, but I pray people will see this and know there is no lack of want for the viera to be completed! Even if it is far into the future, PLEASE let male viera happen!! The design idea of them being a bit shorter than the females is cute too, but no extreme height dimorphism like with the au ra, though.

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The "Lore" standpoint isa lame excuse in my eyes, we can't break lore in there own game? Yet spit on lore like class changes like AST? Yes i know two different departments but still, the argument is the same here.

Lore also says that male Miqo'te are isolationists who rarely leave their tribe. Go take a walk through any given city and see how many you spot. Of course, this goes into the question of the canonical status of other players.....

This still going lol

Our FC member were talking about it yesterday and we all agreed that there should me a male Viera and that FFXIV with gender-locked races looks now like a cheap free to play MMORPG. Even though I'm not going to change into Viera when it appears, I support the idea from the bottom of my heart. It's always good to have an option.

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Originally Posted by XenociderOmega

This still going lol

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It'll never stop.
It cools down for a moment, then somebody always reignites it

In no small part due to it being a legitimate concern and request for a great many players.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In no small part due to it being a legitimate concern and request for a great many players.

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You don't need to Validate the Threads existence.
Its fine that it exists dude.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You don't need to Validate the Threads existence.
Its fine that it exists dude.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Theodric is completely in the right here. A lot of the people reviving these threads have little no no posts, or just aren't regulars. They are just common complaints. Now you have a point when it's the regulars repeating the arguments a billion times.

someone released a male viera mod that worked on all of the male races (except lalafell and hrothgar i believe) that i thought was very interesting since it showed how a male viera might look on different body types but unfortunately it seems the creator of aforementioned mod had a meltdown and removed it

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

someone released a male viera mod that worked on all of the male races (except lalafell and hrothgar i believe) which showcased the types which i thought was interesting in how it showcased how they might look with different bodytypes but unfortunately the mod creator had a meltdown and deleted it

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If I get correct whom do you mean, they met... well, really agressive reactions from some people.

Have not posted in this thread in ages but at this point I think it's clear that the limited races probably won't ever take priority again. Right now SE is more focused on the FF7 remake and yet another FFXV mobile mmo for China. Viera and Hrothgar couldn't be lower on their list of things to worry about. If you're a Viera or Hrothgar at this point still, do yourself a favor and fantasia yourself to a non-limited race and I promise you'll be way better off. I don't anticipate seeing any new features for female Viera or male Hrothgar, much less male Viera and female Hrothgar even though there was a period of time where I was excited about the possibility of seeing them. All the fanart in the world isn't enough to show how much people wanted these missing genders if they refuse to listen to feedback.

Also, as for what the posts above are referencing, that mod creator didn't "have a meltdown" they got their address leaked and their life put in mortal danger by twitter social justice warrior furries and SE fanatics who defend this trend of limited content. I've never seen anything more disturbing unfold on twitter before and it sucks because anyone who's seen the stuff they could make knows that it's probably better than what SE could put out in this state where it apparently is too short on resources to do anything except you know, umbrellas. I guess wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar then making your own is worthy of being doxed. Then people wonder why Fortnite beat FFXIV for best community. My current stance is that SE should never have bothered making these races if it was going to drive people to do crazy things like this and that these threads should all be locked.

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Also, as for what the posts above are referencing, that mod creator didn't "have a meltdown" they got their address leaked and their life put in mortal danger by twitter social justice warrior furries and SE fanatics who defend this trend of limited content. I've never seen anything more disturbing unfold on twitter before and it sucks because anyone who's seen the stuff they could make knows that it's probably better than what SE could put out in this state where it apparently is too short on resources to do anything except you know, umbrellas. I guess wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar then making your own is worthy of being doxed. Then people wonder why Fortnite beat FFXIV for best community. My current stance is that SE should never have bothered making these races if it was going to drive people to do crazy things like this and that these threads should all be locked.

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Thats horrible, I do agree there split decision was a huge mistake. They should have either done full Veria or full Hrothgar and not try to please everyone, since I feel they just made more people upset in the process

It's unfortunate, though I can't say I expect anything else from this game's community when it comes to Twitter. Reddit can be just as hostile and hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by greenguy

Thats horrible, I do agree there split decision was a huge mistake. They should have either done full Veria or full Hrothgar and not try to please everyone, since I feel they just made more people upset in the process

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They wouldn't be any less limited. The only difference would be male viera, or female hrothgar. We already know which one would probably have won out, and that would be male viera at the expense of the entire race of hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Have not posted in this thread in ages but at this point I think it's clear that the limited races probably won't ever take priority again. Right now SE is more focused on the FF7 remake and yet another FFXV mobile mmo for China. Viera and Hrothgar couldn't be lower on their list of things to worry about. If you're a Viera or Hrothgar at this point still, do yourself a favor and fantasia yourself to a non-limited race and I promise you'll be way better off. I don't anticipate seeing any new features for female Viera or male Hrothgar, much less male Viera and female Hrothgar even though there was a period of time where I was excited about the possibility of seeing them. All the fanart in the world isn't enough to show how much people wanted these missing genders if they refuse to listen to feedback.

Also, as for what the posts above are referencing, that mod creator didn't "have a meltdown" they got their address leaked and their life put in mortal danger by twitter social justice warrior furries and SE fanatics who defend this trend of limited content. I've never seen anything more disturbing unfold on twitter before and it sucks because anyone who's seen the stuff they could make knows that it's probably better than what SE could put out in this state where it apparently is too short on resources to do anything except you know, umbrellas. I guess wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar then making your own is worthy of being doxed. Then people wonder why Fortnite beat FFXIV for best community. My current stance is that SE should never have bothered making these races if it was going to drive people to do crazy things like this and that these threads should all be locked.

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well what i heard must have been fourth or fifth hand information then

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Right now SE is more focused on the FF7 remake and yet another FFXV mobile mmo for China. Viera and Hrothgar couldn't be lower on their list of things to worry about
All the fanart in the world isn't enough to show how much people wanted these missing genders if they refuse to listen to feedback.

Also, as for what the posts above are referencing, that mod creator didn't "have a meltdown" they got their address leaked and their life put in mortal danger by twitter social justice warrior furries and SE fanatics who defend this trend of limited content. Then people wonder why Fortnite beat FFXIV for best community. My current stance is that SE should never have bothered making these races if it was going to drive people to do crazy things like this and that these threads should all be locked.

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First of all, the fact that SE is also making FF7 remake and whatever else literally means nothing for FFXIV because they're completely different teams. FFXIV has its own team within SE, which means that they very well might be working on male Viera and female Hrothgar, so that's kind of a silly argument. Yoshi-P had clearly said that if people show enough interest they'd look into creating the counterparts of these races, but ultimately they're two new sets of models so I wouldn't expect them to arrive earlier than 6.0. I think the community has been quite vocal on the situation so I'm fairly sure the dev team has gotten the memo, unfortunately, these things take time to make especially if we also want dungeons, raids + their gear and all the other type of content we're getting so patience does go a long way.

With that said, if I remember correctly said person with the Viera mods had said some very questionable things and had harassed a few people first, which in turn caused everyone to attack him causing him to have his little meltdown and bail. Don't remember seeing anywhere that people sought him out IRL and ultimately you're confusing the Twitter mob for this game's entire community which is kinda silly as well, especially considering how much of a lynch mentality Twitter has. FFXIV's community is nice, but just like literally every other online platform ever there's toxic people in it and there's nothing anyone can really do to prevent this.

Also, Fortnite won Best Ongoing Game, not Best Community. You're thinking of the Community Support Award which went to Destiny 2 and not Fortnite, which again has nothing to do with how nice the community is but rather how fast and responsive the game's Support is to help the community when they require assistance.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

well what i heard must have been fourth or fifth hand information then

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There is alot of that

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Have not posted in this thread in ages but at this point I think it's clear that the limited races probably won't ever take priority again. Right now SE is more focused on the FF7 remake and yet another FFXV mobile mmo for China. Viera and Hrothgar couldn't be lower on their list of things to worry about. If you're a Viera or Hrothgar at this point still, do yourself a favor and fantasia yourself to a non-limited race and I promise you'll be way better off. I don't anticipate seeing any new features for female Viera or male Hrothgar, much less male Viera and female Hrothgar even though there was a period of time where I was excited about the possibility of seeing them. All the fanart in the world isn't enough to show how much people wanted these missing genders if they refuse to listen to feedback.

Also, as for what the posts above are referencing, that mod creator didn't "have a meltdown" they got their address leaked and their life put in mortal danger by twitter social justice warrior furries and SE fanatics who defend this trend of limited content. I've never seen anything more disturbing unfold on twitter before and it sucks because anyone who's seen the stuff they could make knows that it's probably better than what SE could put out in this state where it apparently is too short on resources to do anything except you know, umbrellas. I guess wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar then making your own is worthy of being doxed. Then people wonder why Fortnite beat FFXIV for best community. My current stance is that SE should never have bothered making these races if it was going to drive people to do crazy things like this and that these threads should all be locked.

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FFXIV lost "Community Support" to Destiny 2.

Secondly....No. Yoshi and the Devs have nothing to do with other peoples actions. They have no part in somebody modding their game to get something they want that the devs and director never made (Or even exactly said was gonna happen) And they have nothing to do with Twitter, Reddit, or other peoples action where they attack eachother over...whatever. SE, YoshiP, and the Dev team have no hand in this. They dont control anybodies actions.

I will stay with my Hrothgar Alt thank you Very Much. YoshiP and team had a Fine idea going. Granted, its execution could have been better, but Im at least VERY happy that a Beast Race is in the game, and I love what they have so far. Very Excited to see the updates that they mentioned are coming. And if there is a playable female in the Future with the right options, THEN I will use my HW Fantasia on my Main. For now, I love my ALT.

Ok...You say SE isn't listening to Feedback as if you expected that they would have Male Viera and Female Hrothgar out the gate immediately. Like they would put down everything just to make 'Missing Genders' I find that abit ridiculous, considering how much work it would probly take to get them made.

I think that since FFXIV is its own team we might still see the missing genders, but I really do think that theyre gonna leave female viera and male hrotgar like this, with male viera and female hrotgar being just as limited. What happened with that guy who I knew personally is the most disgusting episode on this 'great' community and I really hope that SE will do something about it (even though I know they cant and even a SE community manager harrassed him so shrug*) I won't come back into the forums for a long while after this (if at all) and I will have to see about the game. Its boring, has little to nothing to do at max lvl and all it has for me is that its a decent game in a genre that's almost dead. Also, when shadowlands releases and WoW fixes their game this game will probs have 30% less players since all the WoW refugees will be back, and if the MMO genre is somehow saved and goes back to its previous glory you know thisg ame isnt nearly good enough to hold a candle against a truly fully-fleshed MMO, with full races, fast combat that dosen't feel crammed, better graphics, amazing customization, and overall the only thing for me in this game is its story, which is great. So I'll come back at the beggining of an expac/ patch play ti and leave it. Do as u please but I hope the devs think about fixing various problems this game has. They've been able to keep ti well for 3 expacs already but with the 4rth I think either they step their game up or they'll see massive abandonment. And have a nice day and try not to follow in the footsteps of the twitter players who put a person in physical and psycological danger because of wanting a feature you dont (but male viera supporters are wild you know?!!!). Also, at this point I dont even care that much for male viera or fem hrot since I wont be playing this game that much from now on. Have a nice day

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a truly fully-fleshed MMO, with full races, fast combat that dosen't feel crammed, better graphics, amazing customization

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Better graphics? Amazing customization? Fast combat?

Whatcha smokin' because I need me some of that. That or you've probably completely forgotten how WoW was, is and will still be with Shadowlands.

I mean, feel free to go to WoW, obviously FF doesn't interest you anymore but to say that FFXIV doesn't hold a candle to WoW ,a true MMO, is both dishonest and ridiculous.
Trust me, FFXIV will be fine when you and the rest of the people not enjoying the game have left. And I'm also sure people will eventually return anyway because Blizzard doesn't really care about its own franchise anymore and they've made it plenty clear lately.

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Originally Posted by VulpinusRex

First of all, the fact that SE is also making FF7 remake and whatever else literally means nothing for FFXIV because they're completely different teams.

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Not entirely true since SE pulls resources from Yoshidas team from certan incomes still like the Square Enix Store, while the game only lifes from subs, extra retainer subs, which is horrible design still in my eyes, and mogry store which is debatable on its own aswell.

Twitter and Reddit both seem to house some very mentally unhinged elements of the community.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You don't need to Validate the Threads existence.
Its fine that it exists dude.

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Says the person who exploded in some laughable fit of rage when it was pointed out they're yet another in an ocean of waifus whining about the prospect of adding a male character option.

Go bark (or yap, whatever it is you do) up some other tree.

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Originally Posted by Saix027

Not entirely true since SE pulls resources from Yoshidas team from certan incomes still like the Square Enix Store, while the game only lifes from subs, extra retainer subs, which is horrible design still in my eyes, and mogry store which is debatable on its own aswell.

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That is, indeed, my main worry. The profits generated by XIV have gone to fund rather controversial stuff like XV, of which we finally got the crossover event right before or right after the cancellation of XV's DLC was announced. And it's been rumored and theorized for a while back that XIV has been paying for FF7R's also controversial development (such as releasing the game in "episodes" and the first one being highly implied to only take place in Midgar, i.e., the first third, and I may even venture the first fourth, of the first disc).

Now, of course there's nothing wrong with a company using profits to fund other ventures, but in this case XIV's dev team hasn't gotten many substantial upgrades, either in the manpower or budget fronts. Heck, the team has needed outside help from other teams (notably, XV's) for particularily big patches. So it feels like XIV is more of a "take" while not giving as much back.