It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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Originally Posted by spf1200

I don't see a problem with something like this and am frankly surprised so many are so against it. I mean umbrellas are fine but this would be a waste of resources? You people are silly

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It's the third day of the new patch and I forgot about the umbrellas. Thanks for the reminder! gg!

Tolerance is one thing but if the choice were given I imagine lots of players would hide others glamour. Put a poll on the log in page and see. Let the players vote on it.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

So now you're bringing mental issues into the argument as well. My goodness you guys are trying literally everything.

As someone who suffers from mental issues, I don't expect any game to cater to them. It is my responsibility to manage my mental health, not SE's.

And no don't start comparing this to having impaired vision or hearing just because there are options in games to help with that sort of thing. Those are often not conditions that can be managed with therapy. Mental illness is.



You're not enjoying the game like everyone else does if you're one of the few who unglam those around you.



And trying to make players appear more like npcs is healthy for a mmorpg?

As long as the option doesn't put players in skimpy outfits they didn't choose, I'd tolerate unglamming. But that doesn't mean I'll pretend that I think it's a good thing for the game. I frankly think it's damn weird that someone wants to play a mmorpg but wants to strip away one of the most defining things about the genre. It's like going to a rock band concert and complaining that you have to listen to a guitarist.

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Mental issues is for sure not my main argument, that's why I never brought it up earlier. Just a sidenote relevant to the attention/concentration argument.

Why do you want to enforce your "meaning" of an MMORPG unto others? The game already plays like a single player RPG and I'm sure there are many who just like to play it solo and only interact with players in instances. Players who just want to experience the story for example.

You have to go through hundreds of hours of singe player content to reach latest expansion, then in latest expansion you can use freakin NPC companions to do dungeons. If you're concerned about the MMORPG aspect of this game, you've got a lot of other stuff to worry about.

Holy shit this thread seems to get more active over time instead of less

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I mean nothing is stopping you from treating people who wear what you don't like any way you want. But you made my point for me. The game allows people to dress how they want. They get treated base off how they dress. So how you dress matters, and supports immersion. Thank you.

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So my immersion has to consist of looking at a bunch of basement dwellers in bikinis because you say so? Well... You don't pay my sub.

Regarding the immersion argument - there is not one single instance in the whole game where anyone is 'forced' to party with random people. If you are really bothered by other people's glams, to the extent that it's spoiling the game for you, then why not party up with friends?

I can understand some people feeling their first run of something like the Steps of Faith would be diminished by having party members in novelty glams. The story has been building up to this for over 100 quests, it's all been really tense and serious, you're expecting something epic...
...and you come out of the cutscene to see your tank in a frog suit or a bikini.
Personally, that wouldn't bother me at all, I'd find it amusing. But if it really does bother you, then rather than asking the devs to waste resources on this when there are so many other things they could be working on, why not just run your instances with like-minded friends?

And if anyone is thinking that that's not fair, because then you can't do roulettes for all those bonus tomes, I'd say enduring other people's glams should simply be seen as part of the cost. I mean yes, some glams might be a bit jarring if you're sensitive to that sort of thing, but they're hardly going to cause a wipe.

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Originally Posted by Bongaboi

SE is progressive. It's not conservative. I am fine with this.

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Wait, we're applying real-life political labels to game companies now?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

It's a Japanese game operating on a global scale, it isn't going to commit to one political stance over the other - especially when it's going to operate differently in specific regions. You know, like any business.

Personally as a gay guy I don't want Square Enix to take a stance one way or another. I want them to give players the tools to tweak the game to their personal tastes so that they can decide, within reason, how they want to explore it. They already do that on multiple fronts so this is really just a case of some people having an odd hangup about strangers not wanting to fawn over their character's design/glamour.

I guess I actually have an opinion on this. But the only thing I can think that'll happen is while this option won't hurt anyone else, people will be pissed it's there. Yeah people won't actually know if it's on or off but if people know it's there they will know. And they will complain and accuse people of whatever. So yeah while it feels like people wanting this are on a losing battle, you'll just have to deal with it somehow. Again it's not like it's getting added anyway but literally the only way to have this option is to have another option where people can opt out of your setting. If that can't happen then noone is going to be happy. And no, I'm not for or against it, I'm just shocked this is still going on.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

I guess I actually have an opinion on this. But the only thing I can think that'll happen is while this option won't hurt anyone else, people will be pissed it's there. Yeah people won't actually know if it's on or off but if people know it's there they will know. And they will complain and accuse people of whatever. So yeah while it feels like people wanting this are on a losing battle, you'll just have to deal with it somehow. Again it's not like it's getting added anyway but literally the only way to have this option is to have another option where people can opt out of your setting. If that can't happen then noone is going to be happy. And no, I'm not for or against it, I'm just shocked this is still going on.

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I feel like the vast majority of the actual ingame community won't give 2 damns about existence of this feauture. I might be 1 of them tbh, might never go through the trouble of using this feauture if it were to come out. It's just the philosophy of most anti choice people that I disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a Japanese game operating on a global scale, it isn't going to commit to one political stance over the other - especially when it's going to operate differently in specific regions. You know, like any business.

Personally as a gay guy I don't want Square Enix to take a stance one way or another. I want them to give players the tools to tweak the game to their personal tastes so that they can decide, within reason, how they want to explore it. They already do that on multiple fronts so this is really just a case of some people having an odd hangup about strangers not wanting to fawn over their character's design/glamour.

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As also a gay guy (apparently that's relevant lol?) implementing a feature like this is actually taking a stance on some complex political issues, especially given the particular complaints that a significant portion of those requesting this option are basing their support for it on.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I want them to give players the tools to tweak the game to their personal tastes so that they can decide, within reason, how they want to explore it. They already do that on multiple fronts

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Please do explain this, you bring this "tweaking" up constantly and never completely describe it, in fact you never describe it. Are these tweaks muting the master-volume? Muting voices? Muting music? Muting sounds? Muting system sounds? Muting Bard performance? Muting ambient sounds? All of which can be incredibly intrusive because hearing something is unlike seeing something? You can choose not to look at something you do not like, you cannot choose to not hear something you do not like. Auditory cues are far more powerful and intrusive than sight cues.

You hear that police car siren wailing down the street? You're immediately alert to its presence and will continue to be until its out of hearing distance or turned off. You see that police car going down the street with its sirens off? Doubt you'll even give it more than one glance. You hear those fireworks going off 5 miles away? Immediately alert. You see those fireworks going off 5 miles away that look like circles on the horizon? Your brain isn't going to have you look over there more than once once it analyzes they aren't a threat to your body, unless you choose to do so. Same deal with thunder and lightning. Thunder will startle you and grab your attention to a SIGNIFICANTLY greater extent than flashes of lightning ever will.

Disabling player battle effects? Disabling your own battle effects?

Those are there because they can physically obstruct your ability to see mechanics, or if you're playing on a low end PC they serve as a purpose to increase its performance by cutting out clutter. Being distracted by glamour can psychologically obstruct your ability to see mechanics, and that's a YOU problem. Learn how to free yourself from visual distractions. Because if you're too busy being offended by someone's glamour than you are paying attention to the dungeon, and not doing your job of dpsing, tanking or healing because you can't be da%#@$ to not be, then you may have some actual serious problems that you need to get sorted out.

I am neither for or against this idea, but I suppose you could say I am firmly against it because it wastes dev time. And if the devs never add this option I highly, and I mean HIGHLY, doubt any of you desperately wanting this option would unsubscribe from the game. And if the devs did add it none of the people vehemently against it would unsubscribe either.

So think of it this way, are the devs really going to spend any amount of time, even if it's so meager of time, to add this option when they don't need to because everything will just goes back to the way it was? They aren't going to lose money either way. So why even add it in the first place.

And with that, I'm done with this thread. It's the worlds biggest waste of time to argue for or against this when you're all addicted to the game and won't unsubscribe over something as trivial as being offended by that one Hrothgar in the wedding dress that you'll only ever see once in your expert dungeon and then never again.

I've explained a number of times throughout the thread. The block function can be used for any reason whatsoever. Players have the luxury of freedom on that front. If someone is spamming chat with emotes or random nonsense they can toggle the block function on for that player. On the other hand, they could also opt to do it for no reason whatsoever and block players who they have never even interacted with.

Should the block function be removed because it supposedly infringes upon the rights of the players who are blocked for no discernible reason? No, it shouldn't. The people against this idea are mostly overthinking it. Client side tweaks are client side tweaks. It really has no bearing on other players as they're highly likely to never be aware that their glamour is being blocked and even if they are, they have no business dictating how other players tweak the game to their liking unless it involves third party tools which are illegal.

That aside, many people want the function to be implemented for various reasons as stated throughout the thread. As such, the hyper focus on specific glamour options is a bit odd when the function is requested for a broad purpose.

Ultimately I'm all about player choice. That means I'm fine with people asking for glamour options to be expanded. Though it also means that I'm all for people having the choice to opt out. I don't think there's anything particularly unfair or hypocritical about it. Yet for some reason many of those seeking to have the development team expand glamour options seem to want to 'get back' at players who do not like such things themselves. Which is all very strange to me!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've explained a number of times throughout the thread. The block function can be used for any reason whatsoever. Players have the luxury of freedom on that front. If someone is spamming chat with emotes or random nonsense they can toggle the block function on for that player. On the other hand, they could also opt to do it for no reason whatsoever and block players who they have never even interacted with.

Should the block function be removed because it supposedly infringes upon the rights of the players who are blocked for no discernible reason? No, it shouldn't. The people against this idea are mostly overthinking it. Client side tweaks are client side tweaks. It really has no bearing on other players as they're highly likely to never be aware that their glamour is being blocked and even if they are, they have no business dictating how other players tweak the game to their liking unless it involves third party tools which are illegal.

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As has been raised to counter this attempt at a point, that a tool can be misused does not justify the creation of another tool based on that misuse.
Also, the examples generally brought up for blacklisting are ToS violations that you could file a report about, so the blacklist serves a functional purpose of letting you filter out the chats that are in violation while waiting for a GM to handle things, which is an argument that doesn't apply to glamours.

This also isn't a "client-side tweak" this is a request for the devs to invest time, which could be spent on say... content, to create a function which it appears there is less demand for than it actually would seem, given so many people on the "pro" side of this are claiming they wouldn't actually use it and are just arguing the point.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That aside, many people want the function to be implemented for various reasons as stated throughout the thread. As such, the hyper focus on specific glamour options is a bit odd when the function is requested for a broad purpose.

Ultimately I'm all about player choice. That means I'm fine with people asking for glamour options to be expanded. Though it also means that I'm all for people having the choice to opt out. I don't think there's anything particularly unfair or hypocritical about it. Yet for some reason many of those seeking to have the development team expand glamour options seem to want to 'get back' at players who do not like such things themselves. Which is all very strange to me!

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A bunch of people have thrown out a bunch of different random suggestions to try to cover that the reason this thread started in the first place is those "specific glamour options". And from what I've seen most of those reasons haven't really held up.

Probably my favourite for the laughs is the complaints about maintaining the aesthetic and immersion of FFXIV by not dealing with people wearing inappropriate gearinto battle while Ryne is a trust character and the Crystal Exarch tanks in caster robes.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

This also isn't a "client-side tweak" this is a request for the devs to invest time

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If their engine was designed in any sane manner, a programmer with basic skills could whip up a working version of the feature within hours.

If spaghetti code and poor engine design are really that bad in this game, then neither umbrellas, dungeons, nor this feature should be the priority of the developers - it should be making a new engine ASAP.

Just because you don't accept those particular reasons it doesn't mean that they're not valid for anybody else's experience to be made more enjoyable. You're really not missing out by someone having a client side option added to the game for their benefit. Players already have the right and ability to decline interaction with somebody else for absolutely any reason they so please. They don't even need to explain their reasons, so long as they remain civil. If I make a party finder, I have no obligation to allow any player to join. Just as someone else has the same freedom to decline me for whatever reason they so please. Nobody is owed somebody else's time or attention. It's a game.

Just chalk it up to different interests or some such instead of assuming the worst about a person.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've explained a number of times throughout the thread. The block function can be used for any reason whatsoever. Players have the luxury of freedom on that front. If someone is spamming chat with emotes or random nonsense they can toggle the block function on for that player. On the other hand, they could also opt to do it for no reason whatsoever and block players who they have never even interacted with.

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Last and final post in this thread.

The block function is here to prevent someone from harassing someone to no end, which can drive the person being harassed to leave the game entirely or worse. It is the quintessential equivalent to getting a restraining order.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Should the block function be removed because it supposedly infringes upon the rights of the players who are blocked for no discernible reason?

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All I can do is laugh at this, really? This is the probably the most inane thing I have ever read in these forums. Does getting a restraining order against someone harassing you in real life infringe upon their rights? If so then I guess getting restraining orders shouldn't be possible. Imagine the ramifications of that, someone being harassed and being unable to do anything about it legally would then turn to illegal solutions or worse. Would be a fantastic world to live in right?

Hence why the blacklist and restraining orders exist: to prevent bad scenarios from ever having the chance to occur.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Client side tweaks are client side tweaks. It really has no bearing on other players as they're highly likely to never be aware that their glamour is being blocked and even if they are, they have no business dictating how other players tweak the game to their liking.

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This option is the same as telling people what they can and cannot wear, even if this is just client-side the fact remains, and you have no business doing that.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Ultimately I'm all about player choice. That means I'm fine with people asking for glamour options to be expanded. Though it also means that I'm all for people having the choice to opt out. I don't think there's anything particularly unfair or hypocritical about it. Yet for some reason many of those seeking to have the development team expand glamour options seem to want to 'get back' at players who do not like such things themselves. Which is all very strange to me!

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Expanding glamour options increases the likelihood for people to come back to the game thus increasing profit and revenue.

This is in totality, especially from a business standpoint, a waste of dev time and money. Dev time and money which could be better spent creating new emotes, glamours or content in general which drives further profit and revenue. Or fixing the shoddy net-code holding the game back from massive QoL changes like being able to use glamour plates anywhere, increasing inventory space, using items while crafting or being able to accept party invites while talking to your retainers.

This option won't do anything, direct or indirect, to increase profits or revenue. It doesn't need to be added. Can it be added? Probably. Is it a total waste of time for something, that doesn't do anything for the greater good of the game, like this to be added? Yes.

It's not some emote people can buy or subscribe back to the game to get and play around with. It's not new content for people to subscribe back to the game for. It's not even a QoL feature that would physically, physically as in more inventory space or being able to accept invites while talking to your retainers, increase the experience of the game for anyone but those complaining about "offensive" glamour.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Expanding glamour options increases the likelihood for people to come back to the game thus increasing profit and revenue.

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So, too, does expanding the quality of life functions of the game. Which is very much what this change would qualify as. Not necessarily for you, specifically, but for other players? Most certainly.

We'll agree to disagree on everything else.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

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Before anyone else takes you seriously with your bullying train of thought, let me just remind everyone that the scenario is of the person being screenshotted wearing the default SCH AF gear. The one used in promotional material, the one that nobody would even bat an eyelid if they saw.

Get over yourself please, nobody is going to bully you because you look like a default SCH on one particular persons screen. On top of that, you would be surrounded by other people also in default AF gear, and let me say this for the millionth time, only on the screen of someone who chose that setting.

Harassment is way easier with the tools we currently have. Shall we just remove gpose because someone can edit what you are doing? Should be ban screenshots entirely because you can't handle being in a public space? Should we ban chat because it allows strangers to talk to you?

We have report tools for a reason, and you always run the risk of negativity in a public space whether it be in game or outside of that game. Where do you draw the line? You draw the line at something that doesn't impact you but might impact someone else's play experience.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

This option is the same as telling people what they can and cannot wear, even if this is just client-side the fact remains, and you have no business doing that.

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As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

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Ok, the ability to change the look of a character outright already exists in the aesthetitician, albeit only for your own character. This same technology exists in the benchmark. Not to mention that the glamour system itself is evidence of the ability to alter gear appearance without affecting gear stats.

Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players.

I have said in this thread previously, that this request opens up the possibility of a better glamour system as it solves the immersion problem regarding role locked gear, and allows for easily identifiable jobs if they player wants that. This means that with this feature in place, the ability for a player to glamour anything to their job becomes much easier to ask for. That alone makes this a valuable request to even those who are against it.


Edit: I should also add that the sheer fact that mods exist that do exactly what this feature is asking, there's no reason why SE can't easily create a system that does similar

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

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Just because the compagny make a lot of money doesn't mean the team working on FFXIV get a bigger budget every time, shareholder does and we all know too well how its going in every game compagny nowaday.

Plus even if they get more money doesn't imply every aspect of the game get an upgrade, new staff need to be trained to the engine, project have to be endorsed to put mere example.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Under my limited understanding of how the system works, implementing this request would not be difficult due to the systems already existing, just not for other players

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And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

As has been ruthlessly debating about throughout this thread, this is also a completely subjective viewpoint. It's moot to keep going on about it. Instead, why don't we discuss another issue that has been mentioned throughout this thread, albeit indirectly?

People keep saying dev time this and dev resources that, but it remains that Square Enix is, contrary to what the memes might indicate, an enormous company with lots of money and resources. Why must we have to sacrifice one potential feature in favor of another, when we could have both?

Let's discuss that, please.

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Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?

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Originally Posted by Nariel

And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed, just not like the sound.

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Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Alright I'll bite, if this game has near infinite resources like you so claim it to have, why are they implementing less dungeons, why do dancer or gunbreaker not have the other crafted primal weapons, why are they constantly reusing assets instead of making new items or enemies, why can't I use glamour plates outside of cities, why hasn't a lot of the terrible spaghetti code been fixed yet?

If Square Enix really is that massive corporation, why isn't the game getting enough resources to fix all those issues?

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Those are good questions. Why can't Square Enix do all those things? They're not really a small indie company who needs you to understand.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

And under my limited understanding on how physics works, moving to the speed of light would not be difficult due to light already moving at this speed.

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Errrr, light is not designed by human beings, but computer systems are. Again, if a single programmer could not figure out how to do this in less than a day, then the engine is beyond saving anyway and is being artificially propped up.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Your comment reads like you read the words "Under my limited understanding" and nothing else in my post. The fact is that the technology already exists in the game, your comment doesn't change that fact.

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And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

And could you care to explain how being able to switch predefined gear appeareance on our character mean dev's can just put an option to switch off the displayed gear of every other character on your screen ? And by explain I mean can you actually expand on how the system work actualy, because all your example consist of are assuption based on surface observation, just like I can assume every star in the galaxy is the same because they more or like have the same color and size in the sky.

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I mean, if somebody really wanted to, they could open up the 32-bit client in OllyDbg or something. Stare at the asm for long enough and you'll eventually map out what it all means.

But no, don't post about your results here if you try.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Get over yourself please, nobody is going to bully you because you look like a default SCH on one particular persons screen.

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Get over myself? A person who wants to be able to change other people's clothes without their consent, because they can't bear the thought of differing tastes, is telling me to get over myself? While I'm fine with everyone dressing how they wish? This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I don't want people to be able to take screenshots of my character in a revealing outfit that I did not even put on. And apparently I am unreasonable for this?

I did get harassed a long time ago in WoW, in the days before transmog/glam, by some people who for some reason thought my character was their fantasy. They commented on my character's body because the gear I had on happened to reveal her skin in the places that they liked. It was over quickly with GM intervention, but the point is it happened before and it wasn't only once. By removing my glam and putting me into AF or the default models of my gear, you are removing what little power I have to not go through this again.

I know someone who got harassed through screenshots uploaded to a third party site, again in the days before transmog/glam in WoW. And the GMs could do nothing about it because there was no way for them to figure out who took the screenshots. That player ended up shelfing that character and starting a new one (you couldn't server transfer or change name back then) because that was the only way they could escape the harassment without quitting the game.

I have been playing mmorpgs for a super long time, and I have seen a lot of ugly things and encountered a lot of creepy people. The concerns I voice here don't come from thin air.

Many keep saying "AF gear!" but have a good long look at some of it, and you'll find there are some pieces on females that with the correct camera angles, could easily result in an uncompromising screenshot. And don't start with your "bUt It'S iN pRoMoTiOnAl MaTeRiAl" crap, because that doesn't hold a candle when the argument is whether you want to wear something potentially revealing or not, not whether you think it's bad for promoting the game or not.

Whatever you say, nothing changes that my character is mine, and I don't want my character to be forced to be someone else's fantasy because an option forced her clothes to change into something more revealing without my consent.

I said in my last post, which is further down on the same page as the one you quoted, that I would be able to tolerate the option to remove glam if unglamming put people into modest outfits. That you have chosen to completely ignore this, and then decide to tell me that my concerns over having my character be undressed without my consent are somehow stupid, can only lead me to think that you actually are in support of forcing other people's characters into clothing more revealing than they may actually want.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Harassment is way easier with the tools we currently have. Shall we just remove gpose because someone can edit what you are doing? Should be ban screenshots entirely because you can't handle being in a public space? Should we ban chat because it allows strangers to talk to you?

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No, just do not let people control the appearance of other player's characters that could be abused by creeps getting off on seeing something they normally would not be able to see. If this is difficult to understand then frankly you're not qualified to think of the ramifications of allowing players to control the appearance of other people.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

We have report tools for a reason, and you always run the risk of negativity in a public space whether it be in game or outside of that game. Where do you draw the line? You draw the line at something that doesn't impact you but might impact someone else's play experience.

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Just because you can report something doesn't automatically mean it's fine to bring it into the game. Not only is this essentially saying "it's fine if you get harrassed as long as you can get someone in trouble for doing it" and it is such a messed up thing on its own, but GM tickets actually do cost SE time and money.

I'm sure if any SE staff are reading this they are disappointed in some of the people proposing glam removal. The utter mockery of some of the concerns is honestly very worrying, when you consider the option proposes the control over how someone else looks without their consent. Some of you are pretty much guaranteeing that this will never come to the game due to your attitude alone.

Peace out guys. I have said everything I can possibly say on the matter without resorting to mocking other people. I got some gathering to do. I hope everyone is enjoying the new patch :)

Please stay there is still much to be discussed

There are already instances in the game where glamour is blocked. We are put in armor in the fight scenes. So they can already do it. My suggestion would be that the players would just appear in level appropriate gear for their class then there is no mixed gear looking hideous. Once something is seen it cannot be unseen.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Careful now, that logic can be used the other way around.


Are you that ugly that you can't stand seeing skin on fake characters? Why should the game pander to your insecurities?

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I don't care what people do in this game, I worry about how I look, not how the rest looks. If this option is not complicated to put what is the problem that this? Simply more variety to the whole game in terms of options.
I don't care about all this very much, but it seems pretty stupid to be against this when it's just more options to the game.

To finish I prefer to worry about more important things, but if this option is not difficult and does not require SO MUCH time, I do not see any logical reason to be against it.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I said in my last post, which is further down on the same page as the one you quoted, that I would be able to tolerate the option to remove glam if unglamming put people into modest outfits. That you have chosen to completely ignore this, and then decide to tell me that my concerns over having my character be undressed without my consent are somehow stupid, can only lead me to think that you actually are in support of forcing other people's characters into clothing more revealing than they may actually want.

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Truthfully, I would not care if the glamour toggle put people into different colored robes(to try to differentiate between jobs). I simply want the option to not have to look upon particularly nonsensical and contextually inappropriate outfits. You may not think I mean this due to my earlier replies, but I am sorry you and your friend got harassed. I am not advocating for this to feed any fantasy that is lewd in nature; only my Final Fantasy swords and high sorcery experience. Truthfully, the flat butts and breasts on avatars in this game wouldn't lend itself much to sexual arousal anyways, at least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

and contextually inappropriate outfits.

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To clarify your post, because I know somebody will completely misinterpret what you are saying, Contextually inappropriate does not mean offensive. It means a glamour that does not make sense in the context of the Warrior of Light's MSQ character (which despite how you role play, they still have a defined character as a mighty hero and savior). You are there fighting Hades or Innocence in the story, tension and emotions are high, and your party zones in and you have a frog man, a pig man, a cloud cosplayer and someone wearing seasonal gear from christmas. I don't think anyone would be offended by this, but it does lessen the impact of the moment. I doubt the lack of this change is a deal breaker for anyone, but the option is nice to have.

Anyone who knows my opinion on this matter from previous posts might be shocked to learn that I would never ever use this feature if it was in the game, I like seeing other peoples glamour. My stance is that denying someone who would use this feature a better play experience at no expense to anyone else is wrong, and that's why I fully support this feature.

From my perspective, my WOL is whatever I say they are. Maybe they have a goofy sense of humor and like glaming silly things. From your point of view, that's not the WOL. YOUR character is the WOL. Those other people are just random adventurers. Who could potentially like glamouring silly things. Glamour exists in setting. Goofy outfits exist in setting. And heck some BATTLE ARMORS like sky rat and shisui are very skimpy even without glamour. This isn't a 100% serious grounded setting. Hildebrand is canon in this setting. It's part of it.

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Originally Posted by Bongaboi

SE is progressive. It's not conservative. I am fine with this.

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What does that have to do with anything? My reply, which you didn't quote all of, was in response to someone accusing others of hating gay people because they didn't care to see men in dresses. It has nothing to how "progressive" or "conservative" SE or anyone is.

They already have this. It's called Mods. On PC. If it really bothers you, you may consider switching to this format. I'm sure there's a mod that does as you're describing.

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They already have this. It's called Mods. On PC. If it really bothers you, you may consider switching to this format. I'm sure there's a mod that does as you're describing.

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I've seen people's screenshots of my character with mods on. Shared because people who use mods can't seem to keep it to themselves and they just have to show me. Handsome lady turned mismatch bimbo fetish.

There's even a mod that removes the 2B dress to be the Glade Tunic.

I really cannot comprehend how people like this can interact with other human beings outside of a computer screen without the protection of endless modding.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

They already have this. It's called Mods. On PC. If it really bothers you, you may consider switching to this format. I'm sure there's a mod that does as you're describing.

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Because that's against ToS. This option would be an official way to do what the mods are doing. People on here don't want to risk their accounts for an feature.

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From my perspective, my WOL is whatever I say they are. Maybe they have a goofy sense of humor and like glaming silly things.

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Your WoL is whatever the characters that interact with your WoL have been written to treat you as. We have been given a mostly blank slate, but the WoL is a part of the written story, and we have been written as a powerful entity that people look up to as a mighty warrior capable of great things, and are treated as a fairly stoic figure that is put on a pedestal, aside from a few key instances that further other characters (Aymeric and Alisae for example). Theres no opinion or perspective on that point, thats literally how the game has been written.

Thats the point of this thread, if you want your WoL to go off the written story then go ahead, you do you, but if someone wants to preserve their immersion and have their WoL and companions to be seen as how the story depicts them (mighty warriors), then they should also be allowed to do so on their own client.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There is no debate to be had. This thread was useless since it's conception. It's already nearly 100 pages! Unbelievable! It's too bloated to even read through anymore!

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Well, we've made it passed 100 pages and then some... too late to turn back now! HA!