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05-16-2023, 02:25 AM
Mikey_R

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Clearly you haven't read my entire reply and just took one sentence out of context to ask me this question. No, I did not say there's no content, I'm saying with 6.x, there has been noticeably less of it.

His statement of, feel free to play other games, has been consistent. You are now attributing that to a lack of content. However, if that logic is to hold, it would mean FFXIV has always had a lack of content. Conversely, if the opposite was true, when he said it back in the day when there was 'loads of content', then it shows there is no correlation between his statement and the view of the amount of content in the game. Therefore, trying to use the statement as something that he is saying to cover up the 'lack of content', does not logically follow. Your premise is flawed and so your conclusion is flawed.

The statement has always been about one thing and one thing only. Do not make FFXIV the only game you play. Do not feel shackled into FFXIV when there are plenty of other games for you to enjoy, do not miss out on the other great titles out there just because of FFXIV. In other words, he just doesn't want you to use FFXIV as an excuse for not playing other games. It has nothing to do with the state of FFXIV and it never will. Anything else is just projection and is you adding some sort of hidden meaning behind it when there is no meaning to be had.
05-16-2023, 02:36 AM
Rehayem

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

His statement of, feel free to play other games, has been consistent. You are now attributing that to a lack of content. However, if that logic is to hold, it would mean FFXIV has always had a lack of content. Conversely, if the opposite was true, when he said it back in the day when there was 'loads of content', then it shows there is no correlation between his statement and the view of the amount of content in the game. Therefore, trying to use the statement as something that he is saying to cover up the 'lack of content', does not logically follow. Your premise is flawed and so your conclusion is flawed.

The statement has always been about one thing and one thing only. Do not make FFXIV the only game you play. Do not feel shackled into FFXIV when there are plenty of other games for you to enjoy, do not miss out on the other great titles out there just because of FFXIV. In other words, he just doesn't want you to use FFXIV as an excuse for not playing other games. It has nothing to do with the state of FFXIV and it never will. Anything else is just projection and is you adding some sort of hidden meaning behind it when there is no meaning to be had.

No, you're still missing my entire point. I keep saying with Endwalker, there has been "less" to do. If you're happy with the current state the game is, that is perfectly fine, but I am not those kind of people, I want to keep myself busy. If I want to play other games, I will. If I were a raider, I would raid and still play other games because it's my choice alone, and so is yours and the next person's as well. As I said before, less grind =/= lack of content. If SE wants less grind, then they should double to content with something to do. Manderville relics are a prime example on how divided the community is. That being said, no one is shackled to FFXIV, and it's my choice alone to make this game my only game to play. I still have plenty to do, but it's nothing that's "current" so to speak.
05-16-2023, 02:38 AM
ZephyrMenodora

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

No, you're still missing my entire point. I keep saying with Endwalker, there has been "less" to do. If you're happy with the current state the game is, that is perfectly fine, but I am not those kind of people, I want to keep myself busy. If I want to play other games, I will. If I were a raider, I would raid and still play other games because it's my choice alone, and so is yours and the next person's as well. As I said before, less grind =/= lack of content. If SE wants less grind, then they should double to content with something to do. Manderville relics are a prime example on how divided the community is. That being said, no one is shackled to FFXIV, and it's my choice alone to make this game my only game to play. I still have plenty to do, but it's nothing that's "current" so to speak.

How would they have more to do without grindy/repetitive content? Even the prior relics were repetition-based for the most part.

For the sake of understanding, what were you spending your time on in the past that is missing now? A lot of the base content is still the same as we have always gotten, just now we have Islands/Criterion Dungeons instead of the Relic grind zones.
05-16-2023, 02:39 AM
aveyond-dreams

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Do not make FFXIV the only game you play. Do not feel shackled into FFXIV when there are plenty of other games for you to enjoy, do not miss out on the other great titles out there just because of FFXIV.

FFXIV was never the only game we were playing.

FFXIV however was a game we wanted to play in addition to those games and for some of us, as is the case for many other mmorpgs, this was our main game/home base.

But it's ok. He'll get his wish. With how empty FFXIV has become now people do not have a choice but to move onto other games. Aside from the Limsa crowd, probably. With how much confidence has been lost this expansion and how they seem to double down on everything that's made Endwalker terrible, I can't see myself subjecting myself to more of this in 7.0.

FFXIV had the chance to do better and it failed. Enjoy what's left of it. You've won.
05-16-2023, 02:44 AM
Rehayem

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

How would they have more to do without grindy/repetitive content? Even the prior relics were repetition-based for the most part.

For the sake of understanding, what were you spending your time on in the past that is missing now? A lot of the base content is still the same as we have always gotten, just now we have Islands/Criterion Dungeons instead of the Relic grind zones.

I don't think I understand your question. Island Sanctuary is automated, Deep Dungeon is like any other, Criterion can be cleared few times and then you don't touch it again. What's else there? You have the raids for raiders, but not everyone does raiding. I've cleared Manderville relics in about 2 weeks, and that's going slow, with daily roulettes alone.

If you're happy with that, I mean, that's fine, everyone has different tastes and all of that.
05-16-2023, 02:49 AM
ZephyrMenodora

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I don't think I understand your question. Island Sanctuary is automated, Deep Dungeon is like any other, Criterion can be cleared few times and then you don't touch it again. What's else there? You have the raids for raiders, but not everyone does raiding. I've cleared Manderville relics in about 2 weeks, and that's going slow, with daily roulettes alone.

If you're happy with that, I mean, that's fine, everyone has different tastes and all of that.

Well....I've been doing relics and only have 4 of them finished. So I think what we consider "slow" or not spending much time on will vary between players.

I think outside of a relic grind, was there other content you spent time on in the past that you don't have a new EW version of now?

I think Criterion not being good long-term content is a great critique, and if these are supposed to be a replacement for something missing I agree they probably missed the mark.
05-16-2023, 02:52 AM
Celine_Aurora

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

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But it's ok. He'll get his wish. With how empty FFXIV has become now people do not have a choice but to move onto other games. Aside from the Limsa crowd, probably.

Here in the present, on Chaos and in the last week of an uneven patch in the smack middle of an expansion, all sort of duties still regularly pop, except Rival wings I guess, and people are still filling practice and clear parties for Savage fights from the last tier.

It seems that people who are more interested in logging in and playing than complaining about their misguided grievances are indeed getting what they wish for.
05-16-2023, 02:53 AM
Rehayem

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Well....I've been doing relics and only have 4 of them finished. So I think what we consider "slow" or not spending much time on will vary between players.

I think outside of a relic grind, was there other content you spent time on in the past that you don't have a new EW version of now?

I think Criterion not being good long-term content is a great critique, and if these are supposed to be a replacement for something missing I agree they probably missed the mark.

Everyone has their own pace, yes, and that is good that the game is made in such a way where you are not forced to rush or you'll be "left behind". This is a big plus I enjoy compared to all other MMOs I've played.

Relics will always have some sort of issue, either too much grind, stale maps or simply none of it at all. This might actually become worse as we're getting more and more jobs with each new expansion, making the gap ever wider.

The first V&C dungeon I've cleared alone in about 8 hours (because I had free that day). I enjoy the detective work of finding clues and discovering something new, but it was very easy to do.

And that's it. Whatever I'm doing now, is actually clearing stuff from previous expansions.
05-16-2023, 03:10 AM
ZephyrMenodora

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Everyone has their own pace, yes, and that is good that the game is made in such a way where you are not forced to rush or you'll be "left behind". This is a big plus I enjoy compared to all other MMOs I've played.

Relics will always have some sort of issue, either too much grind, stale maps or simply none of it at all. This might actually become worse as we're getting more and more jobs with each new expansion, making the gap ever wider.

The first V&C dungeon I've cleared alone in about 8 hours (because I had free that day). I enjoy the detective work of finding clues and discovering something new, but it was very easy to do.

And that's it. Whatever I'm doing now, is actually clearing stuff from previous expansions.

Thanks for the response. My intention wasn't to disagree with you - but I was curious why so many feel the lack of content and what they aren't seeing now that they did before. (Aside from the Relic Grind). Probably because the content I am willing to do or enjoy doing hasn't changed over the years, but I know I'm not everyone haha.
05-16-2023, 03:18 AM
Rehayem

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Thanks for the response. My intention wasn't to disagree with you - but I was curious why so many feel the lack of content and what they aren't seeing now that they did before. (Aside from the Relic Grind). Probably because the content I am willing to do or enjoy doing hasn't changed over the years, but I know I'm not everyone haha.

We all have different point of views, different perception on the game. Calling someone else's logic or conclusion "flawed" because they disagree with you is rather incorrect way to continue a simple conversation about a topic, so I'm thankful that you've taken a different approach to understand my particular point of view.

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