Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Everyone demanding seriousness in the game while almost the entire main story in EW was serious and they managed to stop a world ending bad guy, let the cast rest and just do what they planned to do, to just adventure.

Ya'll need to lighten up you're all miserable.

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We must have played two completely different versions of Endwalker then.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

i really don't get peoples fixation with wanting main characters to die... i get it, it would be "shocking", and yes there was a time with a lot more death on the good guys side than what we have now, but is it really so important to kill of part of the main cast ? lord of the rings doesn't kill of any main cast after halfway into the first book and even has gandalf "die" and come back even more powerfull than before and it's still considered one of the greatest fantasy epics of all time. Or for anime/manga fans take one piece which had 2 non flashback deaths for the first 1000 or so chapters. why on earth are people so obsessed with main character deaths as if this is the absolutely only way to get a compelling story ?

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People who watched too much game of thrones and thought that was good probably.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

3 expansions worth of questlines is longer than 1 expansion's alliance raid series.

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You severely underestimate just how quickly the Hildibrand questline goes by when you hit 'skip cutscene' on everything. I went from zero Hildibrand on an alt to the start of the EW one in effectively one evening. Just take the time to marathon a podcast/TV show/anime/whatever on another monitor.

There's also the fact that ivalice can take forever to pop or be wipeapalooza if you're unlucky, whereas everything in hildibrand can be unsynced super ez. (Kugane Ohashi would need a few people tho, but the rest can be solo'd.) When you factor in everything like queue times, possible wipes, etc. Hildibrand really isn't that much longer than doing all three ivalice raids + all the unlock quests between them (especially that long one between Rabanastre & Ridorona)

I'm also amused by the fact you just instantly assume that being tied to hildibrand means it won't take itself seriously. You do realize Godbert has actual serious lore behind him in the many instances he's appeared outside the Hildy quests right? No doubt there will be comedic elements, but there is literally no indicator the storyline won't be serious or explore the world's lore. The scholastic quest series has literally proven you can reference the Hildibrand quests and still tell a lore-building, serious story. Until this relic weapon series drops, doomposting its gonna be zanny hijinks and comedy 100% o the time is a waste of energy.

Oh, is it time for yet another thread to be derailed into why Endwalker sucks? Just want to know so I can stop reading.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

You severely underestimate just how quickly the Hildibrand questline goes by when you hit 'skip cutscene' on everything. I went from zero Hildibrand on an alt to the start of the EW one in effectively one evening. Just take the time to marathon a podcast/TV show/anime/whatever on another monitor.

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Did you consider that perhaps I wanted to enjoy engaging content in FFXIV instead of watching netflix while I play through boring quests or fights? Whatever additional lore is locked behind those quests isn't worth the hassle to me when I can just watch that on Youtube and still understand the story.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

We must have played two completely different versions of Endwalker then.

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Clearly with your vague passive aggressive response

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It was completely irrelevant to even state. Why say it in the first place? I dont have a personal gripe with you i just find your hypocrisy funny. The only "serious moments" in EW are nameless or irrelevent npcs being kiilled off. Everything is handed to the scions. thancred even laments at the end of Ew that acocmplished averting a universe decimating apocalypse with not even a scratch to show for it. Theyre brought back to life over and over again and never have to actually suffer anything despite that being this expansions theme. Compare that to ARR or Hw where the main cast actually had to make long lasting sacrifices and faced consequences for their actions and had losses....you know, the theme song for this expansions? Loss and fire? Where the loss on the main cast side this expansion? As for the clowning....i dont think this community has the right to clown on anyone considering the community managers for this game are diaper wearing fetishists but i digress...

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Only full on Scion deaths were Papy and Moen iirc. ARR and HW was full of nameless npc deaths. Yet that's OK but not in EW. And did you really just use a joke Thancred made...as evidence that it was all handed to them...like legit did you just do that? I guess the scions sacrificing themselves to pave the way for us with no guarantee on their part to come back is just a nothing burger. Hell didn't Thancred stop Meteion from finishing us off right then n there on the ship? Am I dumb or did these things not happen? And sure the threat of turning didn't effect the scions but thats due to them all having solid foundations as people. Same for folks like Vtra and the Sharlayans. This is stuff built up from years ago. Characters of that caliber aren't going to just constantly suffer n suffer when new things arise. (Maybe they still would if they didnt take ample to time rest and avoid burnout which is also something folks dont like it seems). And if they did I'd bet you'd call that boring cause then them suffering would be the norm and samey.
Also on wat basis are you claiming CMs are diaper wearing fetishist? And you call ME a hypocrite. Come on man..

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

i really don't get peoples fixation with wanting main characters to die...

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I think, if we're talking about ShB, that's it not so much about wanting anyone to die, but how much the scions kept "flirting" with death while not actually dying. So many situations would have been certain death for anyone else, but they have such a strong plot armor and are basically mary sues at this point. Y'shtola and Thancred more than the rest, honestly. It's hard to take a character seriously under those circumstances. And at this point we know that whatever they go through they will never ever really die, so it kills any sort of tension. Even EW with its "all my friends sacrificed themselves""just bring them back". We just know that nothing bad will ever happen to them, no matter what they go through. Which I guess for many it can be a relief, but for others makes them less believable.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

*looks at this forum and mutters "Tell me about it..."


IT IS a tiny minority. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is. This forum is a miniscule microcosm that thinks it speaks for the majority

WHICH IT DOES NOT

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But wish really really hard they did ! Like 4chan dweller/redditor and by the power of dynamis one day they will succeed ! (or not)

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I think, if we're talking about ShB, that's it not so much about wanting anyone to die, but how much the scions kept "flirting" with death while not actually dying. So many situations would have been certain death for anyone else, but they have such a strong plot armor and are basically mary sues at this point. Y'shtola and Thancred more than the rest, honestly. It's hard to take a character seriously under those circumstances. And at this point we know that whatever they go through they will never ever really die, so it kills any sort of tension. Even EW with its "all my friends sacrificed themselves""just bring them back". We just know that nothing bad will ever happen to them, no matter what they go through. Which I guess for many it can be a relief, but for others makes them less believable.

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me and my friends make a bet every new expansion: in how many quests will Yshtola "die"? How many times will a Scion be kidnapped?

I advise you to do this, it's a lot of fun