New summoner is unacceptable

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Originally Posted by Zionite

I just hit 90 last night. Summoning the larger sized primals feels awesome.

I love the rework of SMN though there are a few issues I’ve noticed.
When cycling between summons I’m left with a second or two waiting for the next spell or summon to use in rotation.
I wonder if the summons themselves (and ruin IV) being charged to OGCD May help with that.

It does feel awkward summoning the primal and waiting a full GCD to use gemshine or astro flow/Phoenix skill name. (I forgot the name)

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I have felt this way at 80 that the summons feel like they should be an OGCD specially with ruin III only being a 1.5s cast time. Does the 90 Ifrit and Titan have the same janky melee move or do they have a ranged aoe spell? That is something I think should be changed as well.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I have felt this way at 80 that the summons feel like they should be an OGCD specially with ruin III only being a 1.5s cast time. Does the 90 Ifrit and Titan have the same janky melee move or do they have a ranged aoe spell? That is something I think should be changed as well.

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As far as I know they do Hellfire/Earthen Fury/Aerial Blast instead of the egi enkindles.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Toxic casualism in action

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Know whats cute about that between my accounts i have most likely have 5x your playtime so honestly your the casual.


Also its called waiting over 8 years for it to be a real summoner, now it finnaly is after what real summoner fans put up with you want to ruin it.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I have felt this way at 80 that the summons feel like they should be an OGCD specially with ruin III only being a 1.5s cast time. Does the 90 Ifrit and Titan have the same janky melee move or do they have a ranged aoe spell? That is something I think should be changed as well.

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It’s not ranged from what I can tell.

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Originally Posted by FusiaRain

Know whats cute about that between my accounts i have most likely have 5x your playtime so honestly your the casual.


Also its called waiting over 8 years for it to be a real summoner, now it finnaly is after what real summoner fans put up with you want to ruin it.

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Nah, a real summoner would have the bulk of their actions be summoning. What we are doing is casting adjusted versions of ruin 2 and 3 over and over again, while the summons do something meaningful every once in a while.

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Originally Posted by Zionite

It does feel awkward summoning the primal and waiting a full GCD to use gemshine or astro flow/Phoenix skill name. (I forgot the name)

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I find it inconvenient at lower levels as well. I really don't want to speed run the msq to get back my Enery Syphon or to be able to spam ruin again. These are still minor issues though. I can work around them and strategize through the countdown to summon. Maybe that is what some will call a complexity of the job, and some will call bare bones and being clunky.

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Originally Posted by Fyffer

Nah, a real summoner would have the bulk of their actions be summoning. What we are doing is casting adjusted versions of ruin 2 and 3 over and over again, while the summons do something meaningful every once in a while.

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Atleast its closer to that stage now.. They just need to add more summons and a Anima/alexander demi summon with its own cd set outside of the two we got right now. That would trigger 3 more gems for the Shiva,levi,ramuh set

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Originally Posted by Fyffer

Nah, a real summoner would have the bulk of their actions be summoning. What we are doing is casting adjusted versions of ruin 2 and 3 over and over again, while the summons do something meaningful every once in a while.

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Eh, I don't mind damage coming straight from us. It would feel kind of crappy to have the entirety of my kit coming from a separate entity.
I'd rather fight alongside my summons as a team, rather than just throwing ifrit-shaped fireballs at someone.
(which means interacting with/communicating with/supporting those summons, which is a feature we lack now outside of 1 ogcd every minute.)

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As for the summons being ogcd vs gcd, I don't know about that. I think it might throw some things off, (going out of garuda into another summon, would probably need to adjust ruin IV to compensate for it and I just hate ruin IV as a skill right now, etc) and I definitely wouldn't want their damage to be nerfed because of their ogcd status.
I'm still trying to work out what I think would fill what some are feeling as a confusing void, but I'm certain that just indiscriminately increasing the ogcd count is not going to help things all too much. (remember, the CPM is fairly similar to ShB smn. Our hands aren't the things that are being left wanting.) I have a hunch that it might be solved by rethinking carbuncle's role in our kit. But I have to stop having my mind boggled by the MSQ to really start thinking about it. XP

At level 90 new SMN is fantastic. If you are basing your opinion on anything else, get to 90 first. Jobs while leveling are just poor now that they tune the game so tightly for endgame - which is fine IMO.

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Originally Posted by Aerilon

At level 90 new SMN is fantastic. If you are basing your opinion on anything else, get to 90 first. Jobs while leveling are just poor now that they tune the game so tightly for endgame - which is fine IMO.

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No, it's not fine.
The leveling experience is also an important thing and if things feel bad to play, people will drop the game.