What is your biggest wish for endwalker that you know probably won't happen?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The problem with this is that it goes against the message they’re trying to push this expansion. About the whole “move forward toward the future.” And they try to paint it as bad that the ascians are “stuck in the past.” But instead of that other timeline working toward the future, they instead send graha back and were willing to doom that timeline, without btw, the consent of the majority. In the end though if we’re going to say it’s okay because it’s so that the source and the first survive, the same can be said for the ascian plight, where the rejoining would make the world stable again and prevent loss of life to age and illness. Again, a matter of perspective.

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If the people of the post-eighth calamity didn't do what they did, then we wouldn't have had a story, it's as simple as that. It's not like they disappear either, and they continue on their own story with Midgardsormr helping them in a new Astral age.

The point of showing everything from the ascian side is to make the story compelling. That still doesn't change the fact that they've been our enemies from the very beginning and we're not going to suddenly switch sides because we feel bad for them. And it doesn't change the fact that they're tempered either. If the ascians' goal was more morally right than ours, then the deceased but freed Emet-Selch fished out of the lifestream wouldn't have saved our lives when we fought against Elidibus, who would have won and forwarded Zodiark's plan without his intervention. We also don't have both sides of the story yet and judging by the very end of ShB, we're going to get closer to Venat/Hydaelyn and learn what happened back then in her words.

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Originally Posted by Sonoskay

It would be nice to have an "ugly" race. Somthing a bit more unique than Humans with an odd feature. The only Exception is Hrothgar, And they are still buff handsome lion folk.

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idk I think Hrothgar are hideous.

Glamour log. :(

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

If the people of the post-eighth calamity didn't do what they did, then we wouldn't have had a story, it's as simple as that. It's not like they disappear either, and they continue on their own story with Midgardsormr helping them in a new Astral age.

The point of showing everything from the ascian side is to make the story compelling. That still doesn't change the fact that they've been our enemies from the very beginning and we're not going to suddenly switch sides because we feel bad for them. And it doesn't change the fact that they're tempered either. If the ascians' goal was more morally right than ours, then the deceased but freed Emet-Selch fished out of the lifestream wouldn't have saved our lives when we fought against Elidibus, who would have won and forwarded Zodiark's plan without his intervention. We also don't have both sides of the story yet and judging by the very end of ShB, we're going to get closer to Venat/Hydaelyn and learn what happened back then in her words.

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We wouldn’t have a story sure but it still is a double standard. I’m not sure what tempering has to do with the overall situation anyhow. For all we know WoL could be tempered. The emet situation against elidibus was more of a plot device if anything which honestly didn’t make much sense on the grand scheme of things. When the devs themselves say it’s a matter of perspective and it isn’t black and white i’m inclined to believe them. Again, you can’t really argue that the rejoinings wouldn’t save more lives in the long run. It’s really the truth. We don’t have the whole side of the story know, but considering her name is literally venat and the fact she decided to go against the majority of her people without their consent and then literally shattered the world, there isn’t much she can say.

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Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor

I read a while back that Square wants to stay away from bestial races cuz of the furry factor, which is a mission fail cuz they have the Viera and the Miqo’te.

Even still they got Hrothgar, which are like a 3 on the scale vs Bangaa/Nu Mou’s 4. I don’t think it’ll ever happen.

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Im gonna need a source on that Chief.
Because if that were true then we wouldn't even have beast tribes, or the Lupin, the Seeq, heck Final Fantasy as a whole wouldn't have Anthropomorphic Be-Pedal characters. And throughout the Franchise there have been tons.
This also doesnt make sense because the Hrothgar were added because YoshiP and the Devs agreed there should/needs to be a Non-Human Option to add more Variety into XIV's Player Character Choices.

Also Side Note....Viera and the Miqo’te are not Furry.
Ronso and the Burmecian, are Furry.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

You mean the people who came up with the plan to begin with, those people who decided that a world where the WoL lived and was able to stop the 8th Calamity was more important than the hellhole they lived each day in? It was their decision, their plan. They were the ones who originally got into Crystal Tower and woke up G'raha Tia, he didn't wake up on his own.

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"We've got this self-sacrificing plan to at least have a chance at saving something worth saving, but if you go through with it, per our request, you're an a**hole."

Sounds fair. /s

Two things: a "flying mount" that isn't a mount at all but a pair of working wings such as the gold saucer ones but actually functional, and the reaper sprint to be a glide that lifts you a foot or so off the ground, like death itself on the move.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Two things: a "flying mount" that isn't a mount at all but a pair of working wings such as the gold saucer ones but actually functional, and the reaper sprint to be a glide that lifts you a foot or so off the ground, like death itself on the move.

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I’m hoping reaper sprint animation is essentially magus from Chrono Trigger.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

There is also nothing mentioning them getting constantly attacked

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Wasn't there an echo flashback featuring G'raha and a Biggs retrieving Count Fortemps' memoirs from Ishgard, that also happened to have them in a hurry due to the city being razed by unseen attackers? Actually, that whole scene doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with. If that's the same Biggs that was around when G'raha was sent back in time with the tower... how exactly is Ishgard even around anymore? That's, like, two hundred years after the global collapse of civilization.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Wasn't there an echo flashback featuring G'raha and a Biggs retrieving Count Fortemps' memoirs from Ishgard, that also happened to have them in a hurry due to the city being razed by unseen attackers? Actually, that whole scene doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with. If that's the same Biggs that was around when G'raha was sent back in time with the tower... how exactly is Ishgard even around anymore? That's, like, two hundred years after the global collapse of civilization.

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The global collapse was caused by Black Rose draining aether from the land. Ceruleum could no longer work, lands were unable to support plants or life. I don't think it would effect buildings at all, and considering how Ishgard is a very icy region and has food grown from far up high (possibly higher than Black Rose could reach) in the Sea of Clouds, it's possible they weren't as badly effected as the other regions. There sadly isn't enough info on that world for us to give any real info on how many cities were left, how people were surviving, etc.