The idea that we need to DPS must go.

I press unnecessary healing buttons even in savage so I reduce the risk of falling asleep when healing and here we are with the daily DPS in the healer forums telling us we are a bunch of elitists that expect perfection because *checks notes* we don't afk after we heal the pitiful amount of damage this game has.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I mean, they say in their forum profile they're a tank and DPS main who finds healing challenging and only have WHM at 90 and SGE at 70 (probably either just unlocked or is just sitting on it because it was "too challenging" for them).
If their only healing experience is the sub-par WHM plus their 7 years of WoW, it makes sense that they think all healers are/should be heal-princesses. :B

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This is not my only character. I made that profile on my first character nearly a decade ago when 60 was the cap. It's pathetic to think you can know a person based on such a tiny and outdated sliver of info and casually insult them with it. How petty of you.

Personal attacks are the result of failure at being able to debate.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

I mean, yes? I hope this is you agreeing with me and not you saying that your job forces you to clean up after others. Dude, stand up for yourself. There really IS someone there who is paid to do that for you

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I'm still stuck at this part. You can't be serious.
Why would any boss of a retail store pay for multiple workers to do multiple tasks when 1 person can do them by themselves during downtime.
Speaking from experience, if during my 7 hours at the bakery i didn't spend my downtime between customers cleaning dishes, brushing breadcrumbs away, cleaning coffee machine, cleaning the counter, etc., I'd literally spend maybe 4 of those 7 hours just doing nothing standing there waiting for customers. No one hires someone expecting them to have this much downtime at their job where they basically get paid to do nothing and that'd be a boring job to begin with. Almost like healing in this game, If i ignored DPS entirely and just healed whenever bubo happens I'd falls asleep behind the counter controller.

Why do we even bother with these arguements anymore? It's the same as I've said before; the entire veteran community argues with one singular person per month about how they're wrong. We do this EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

They eventually give up, then we wait for another one to show up, and do it all over again. Can we just stop feeding please? This arguement is pointless, as we all really know the answer on these forums.

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

I'm still stuck at this part. You can't be serious.
Why would any boss of a retail store pay for multiple workers to do multiple tasks when 1 person can do them by themselves during downtime.
Speaking from experience, if during my 7 hours at the bakery i didn't spend my downtime between customers cleaning dishes, brushing breadcrumbs away, cleaning coffee machine, cleaning the counter, etc., I'd literally spend maybe 4 of those 7 hours just doing nothing standing there waiting for customers. No one hires someone expecting them to have this much downtime at their job where they basically get paid to do nothing and that'd be a boring job to begin with. Almost like healing in this game, If i ignored DPS entirely and just healed whenever bubo happens I'd falls asleep behind the counter controller.

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You're talking about a different profession though. Food workers are trained to maintain sanitary conditions and clean up after themselves while preparing their products. Cashiers are not. They are expected to keep an orderly workstation, but if a jug a milk falls, or a toddler throws up or their floor is dirty, is not housekeeping or maintenance expected to rush to the location and are paid for that purpose. This might be the case at tiny stores where there are few employees, but those poor souls are nationally recognized as overworked and underpaid.

It is not something that should be accepted as a norm or praised.

But we digress..

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

I'm still stuck at this part. You can't be serious.
Why would any boss of a retail store pay for multiple workers to do multiple tasks when 1 person can do them by themselves during downtime.
Speaking from experience, if during my 7 hours at the bakery i didn't spend my downtime between customers cleaning dishes, brushing breadcrumbs away, cleaning coffee machine, cleaning the counter, etc., I'd literally spend maybe 4 of those 7 hours just doing nothing standing there waiting for customers. No one hires someone expecting them to have this much downtime at their job where they basically get paid to do nothing and that'd be a boring job to begin with. Almost like healing in this game, If i ignored DPS entirely and just healed whenever bubo happens I'd falls asleep behind the counter controller.

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Exactly. I feel like that was definitely the Scooby-doo moment where we unveiled the mask only to find a troll.

In any job anywhere, organization and cleanliness is actually a part of your job description. Even if you've got an office job, you think your boss is going to keep you around if you keep leaving food out and not cleaning up after yourself in the breakroom? It's an expectation that you're not going to be a lazy asshole, making it a part of your job description. And in FFXIV, healer DPS actually is stated as being a part of your job description multiple times in various parts of the game: The Hall of the Novice, Solo Instances where I'd love to see someone exclusively heal through any of those and let the NPCs kill everything, not to mention the entirety of the CNJ class quests which have outlined the structure for healing day 1 of ARR.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Why do we even bother with these arguements anymore? It's the same as I've said before; the entire veteran community argues with one singular person per month about how they're wrong. We do this EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

They eventually give up, then we wait for another one to show up, and do it all over again. Can we just stop feeding please? This arguement is pointless, as we all really know the answer on these forums.

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I prefer to combat ignorance, personally. The argument won’t ever go away, but it’s better to contest it so newer players that might be reading understand why these “healers only heal” arguments don’t work in the game.

Plus, this gives me something to do while I’m on my lunch break.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

You're talking about a different profession though. Food workers are trained to maintain sanitary conditions and clean up after themselves while preparing their products. Cashiers are not. They are expected to keep an orderly workstation, but if a jug a milk falls, or a toddler throws up or their floor is dirty, is not housekeeping or maintenance expected to rush to the location and are paid for that purpose. This might be the case at tiny stores where there are few employees, but those poor souls are nationally recognized as overworked and underpaid.

It is not something that should be accepted as a norm or praised.

But we digress..

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I’ve worked in retail before; I have over a decade of work experience in it. As a cashier at arts and crafts stores, general merch stores, and groceries. Two of which are major American corporations, so not your rinky-dink Mom-and-Pop stores. Cashiers there are trained to help clean up spills even when there are other maintenance/utility personnel. Leaving them is negligence and opens up potential for falls that could result in customers getting hurt and suing the company. So we’re all trained in how to clean up spills.

This analogy easily applies to healers. You are trained to contribute to healing and DPS both. Not just one or the other. To do only one is you failing to perform your full role. Just like tanks are trained to maintain enmity and mitigate; DPS to press their damage buttons and buff the party/mitigate.


Also oops on the double post.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Personal attacks are the result of failure at being able to debate.

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And focusing on that while not replying back to my reply makes it seem like you're dodging our conversation. XD
I'm just using information that you provide (on your profile) to speculate where you are coming from with your argument. Meanwhile, you're calling me petty. Who's insulting who? (Not to mention you condescendingly calling Semirhage "my dearie")

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Exactly. I feel like that was definitely the Scooby-doo moment where we unveiled the mask only to find a troll.

In any job anywhere, organization and cleanliness is actually a part of your job description. Even if you've got an office job, you think your boss is going to keep you around if you keep leaving food out and not cleaning up after yourself in the breakroom? It's an expectation that you're not going to be a lazy asshole, making it a part of your job description. And in FFXIV, healer DPS actually is stated as being a part of your job description multiple times in various parts of the game: The Hall of the Novice, Solo Instances where I'd love to see someone exclusively heal through any of those and let the NPCs kill everything, not to mention the entirety of the CNJ class quests which have outlined the structure for healing day 1 of ARR.

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Don't even bother tbh. They have a long history of pulling off those sort of deflecting posts.

I must say though, they're pretty good with that.