Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

I get it alot leveling DRK right now. Some people just need to go fast for whatever reason. I don't mind trying to get through dungeons quickly but it's not necessary so, please stop running ahead of me jumping up and down then kiting things to me if I didn't pull every single mob, is what I would say if people waited long enough for me to type something out on my ps4 controller. Not every person playing a tank has run that content into the ground or has the bis tome gear for that tier dungeon, so it's just pretty rude. I notice some players even running into the walls that get put between some trash packs trying to sneak off and grab more but forgot they have to do this part first.

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Originally Posted by smol_cofe

I get it alot leveling DRK right now. Some people just need to go fast for whatever reason. I don't mind trying to get through dungeons quickly but it's not necessary so, please stop running ahead of me jumping up and down then kiting things to me if I didn't pull every single mob, is what I would say if people waited long enough for me to type something out on my ps4 controller. Not every person playing a tank has run that content into the ground or has the bis tome gear for that tier dungeon, so it's just pretty rude. I notice some players even running into the walls that get put between some trash packs trying to sneak off and grab more but forgot they have to do this part first.

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I'd say your should get yourself a cheap keyboard to plug into your ps4. Trying to type with the controller is just so awful.

I think more tanks agree with your double pull assessment than one would lead to believe, Kabooa. Personally, I like it when we can go faster too. Although the issues I see in the thread is every group can have a different scenario. Sometimes, we have to communicate to help understand each other and possibly teach others what limits they can break.

Going back to the first post, the tank did make a mistake using a countdown when it wasn't needed. The Dragoon could have elected to communicate so the tank would hopefully stop doing that, but instead pulled without a word. The pull clearly didn't work to let the tank know of his mistake, so the fires just got fanned needlessly. Even if you are not going to be friends with the people, there is still a higher chance of getting what is desired if at least an effort for respect is given.

If you're not the tank, you shouldn't be pulling. Anything that happens as a result is entirely on you. If you pull without waiting for the tank, I'm just going to assume that you're the one that's going to be doing the tanking and everyone else can just focus on DPS.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

If you're not the tank, you shouldn't be pulling. Anything that happens as a result is entirely on you. If you pull without waiting for the tank, I'm just going to assume that you're the one that's going to be doing the tanking and everyone else can just focus on DPS.

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In real life, that's an argument you never ever win (unless you are grouped with two other friends). The only way you accomplish your above scenario is if you actively turn your tank stance off or you stand back and let them die without doing anything. In either case, you get flamed the first time. Second time, you get booted. That's how that works, regardless of the right and wrong of it. You might feel justified, but you also didn't complete the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Juanpierre

(unless you are grouped with two other friends).

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This is an interesting thing to think about particularly. Haven't everybody ever run a dungeon with that one MNK / SAM / NIN / DRG / <insert job with timed buffs to upkeep> friend who yells on discord "MY BUFFS" before charging into a boss. He takes an auto in the face, you pull it off of them, meme about MNKs and GL abit and let it go because you know, your friend don't mean to disrespect you, it is what it is. Why assume random pugs mean to "disrespect" tanks for doing the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Juanpierre

In real life, that's an argument you never ever win (unless you are grouped with two other friends). The only way you accomplish your above scenario is if you actively turn your tank stance off or you stand back and let them die without doing anything. In either case, you get flamed the first time. Second time, you get booted. That's how that works, regardless of the right and wrong of it. You might feel justified, but you also didn't complete the dungeon.

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Ive never ever been blamed or booted for letting a puller die, if anything the puller has been booted.

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Originally Posted by armandojc3

Ive never ever been blamed or booted for letting a puller die, if anything the puller has been booted.

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In my experience, I've never had a single time where I haven't been criticized and/or booted. That's part of the reason why I don't do it anymore. I just suck it up and finish the dungeon. Leads to faster clears, which is the better scenario from my perspective.

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Originally Posted by ashwich

This is an interesting thing to think about particularly. Haven't everybody ever run a dungeon with that one MNK / SAM / NIN / DRG / <insert job with timed buffs to upkeep> friend who yells on discord "MY BUFFS" before charging into a boss. He takes an auto in the face, you pull it off of them, meme about MNKs and GL abit and let it go because you know, your friend don't mean to disrespect you, it is what it is. Why assume random pugs mean to "disrespect" tanks for doing the same thing?

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You mean slaping your friend in the face out of the blue has the same result/means the same thing as doing it with a stranger?? hmm

My friends pull bosses ahead of me, we all laugh about it, then we laugh about me Shirking them to death, and we have some fun in discord. and that in no way can be related/applied to pugs.

Its mmo etiquete 101 people... tank pulls, thats the "preset", if you think the tank is slow or doing ridiculous "countdown" on dungeons, just let him know, instead of pulling stuff.
And vast majority of the tanks, to let a DPS tank something to death, its because they did it more than once or twice.

If a dps pulls a boss or another pack of mob, i just assume it was an accident, i grab the agro and move on. If it happens again ill ask them politely to stop (packs and w2w pulls is something decided between healer and tank anyway).

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Originally Posted by ExLegen

You mean slaping your friend in the face out of the blue has the same result/means the same thing as doing it with a stranger?? hmm

My friends pull bosses ahead of me, we all laugh about it, then we laugh about me Shirking them to death, and we have some fun in discord. and that in no way can be related/applied to pugs.

Its mmo etiquete 101 people... tank pulls, thats the "preset", if you think the tank is slow or doing ridiculous "countdown" on dungeons, just let him know, instead of pulling stuff.
And vast majority of the tanks, to let a DPS tank something to death, its because they did it more than once or twice.

If a dps pulls a boss or another pack of mob, i just assume it was an accident, i grab the agro and move on. If it happens again ill ask them politely to stop (packs and w2w pulls is something decided between healer and tank anyway).

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The problem with this is interpretation. Why do you comparing a non-tank pulling the boss equivalent to being physically assaulted in real life?
While I agree communication generally make things better. It goes both ways. A tank could ask "why" before taking something so insignificant personal.