Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

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10-20-2011, 08:59 PM
Kallera

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Originally Posted by lvicious

I'm one of those who has said if you like it great then pay and if you don't then gtfo. I'm going to pay whatever they charge.. however... I am starting to see that there are a lot of current players who aren't just trolling or being haters but just honestly want to pay a little less until 2.0 comes out.

I've been a huge supporter of pay to play when it starts but I have to say that even though I love the game now and will love it even more over the next few years up to 2.0 .. I'd be all for a discount, bulk discount that's been discussed. Something cheaper than what they are planning for. Ya know even they said they considered cheaper fees so it's not something that's just about people whining. It's a legitimate concern.

I would rather see people stay and keep a strong player base than watch a mass exodus. The more the merrier. Honestly, I don't see players streaming back after not playing until late 2013. So it's better to keep people around now.

Now those who are just trolling and don't plan on paying period no matter what the cost can just gtfo. Let's compromise. There is nothing wrong with that. I mean the year+ of free play was not our fault and there are major changes coming down the road so compromise and let's all move forward and enjoy the game together.

I'm just saying I understand the argument and it's really hard to just dismiss it.

The year of free play was on condition of getting a road map to getting the game's issues fixed. They have the roadmap now.

That people did not understand the conditions of their free subscription is no excuse.

The problem with a discounted price is that people are going to demand it remain discounted and push back expections of when it shouldn't be discounted, for fear of the "mass exodus".

I think it is hot air. and the complainers would hate 2.0 just as much if it would mean getting it on the cheap.
Yes, people will leave. But they received news of the games road to 2.0. Square held to its end of the bargain.
If they reject that, was SE going to profit from them in the first place?
10-20-2011, 09:05 PM
Wynn

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The year of free play was on condition of getting a road map to getting the game's issues fixed. They have the roadmap now.

That people did not understand the conditions of their free subscription is no excuse.

The problem with a discounted price is that people are going to demand it remain discounted and push back expections of when it shouldn't be discounted, for fear of the "mass exodus".

I think it is hot air. and the complainers would hate 2.0 just as much if it would mean getting it on the cheap.
Yes, people will leave. But they received news of the games road to 2.0. Square held to its end of the bargain.
If they reject that, was SE going to profit from them in the first place?

You can already see people talking about extending any discount beyond re-release. Dear SE, please cut the cord now.
10-20-2011, 09:05 PM
lvicious

yeah Kallera I hear ya and you make good points. Just trying to see both sides. Guess we'll see what SE decides but I'm playing anyway so oh well.
10-20-2011, 09:08 PM
Zanfire

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Originally Posted by lvicious

I'm one of those who has said if you like it great then pay and if you don't then gtfo. I'm going to pay whatever they charge.. however... I am starting to see that there are a lot of current players who aren't just trolling or being haters but just honestly want to pay a little less until 2.0 comes out.

I've been a huge supporter of pay to play when it starts but I have to say that even though I love the game now and will love it even more over the next few years up to 2.0 .. I'd be all for a discount, bulk discount that's been discussed. Something cheaper than what they are planning for. Ya know even they said they considered cheaper fees so it's not something that's just about people whining. It's a legitimate concern.

I would rather see people stay and keep a strong player base than watch a mass exodus. The more the merrier. Honestly, I don't see players streaming back after not playing until late 2013. So it's better to keep people around now.

Now those who are just trolling and don't plan on paying period no matter what the cost can just gtfo. Let's compromise. There is nothing wrong with that. I mean the year+ of free play was not our fault and there are major changes coming down the road so compromise and let's all move forward and enjoy the game together.

I'm just saying I understand the argument and it's really hard to just dismiss it.

If only more of the people who love the game now understood. Im one of the many who enjoy the game, but are not in love with it. Im incredibly excited for 2.0, but knowing we are playing the lesser version and having to pay full price for it just seems off to me. If they give us a discount, id probably pay, i just cant justify paying for a lesser version of a game now, even though the story bits are interesting, its not enough to get me to pay for a full years worth.

Of course this situation has never happened before in MMOs, so its hard to tell how things will play out with the full price, but i have a feeling its not going to be good. A single digit price is much easier to swallow then a double digit price, and thats just how people are, we are fine with spending 5$, but when we see the 10$ we think more, even though its not a big leap. I dont understand it, but i feel that way meself....must be some weird human nature shopping mechanism...
10-20-2011, 09:54 PM
AamesxDavid

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Originally Posted by lvicious

I'm one of those who has said if you like it great then pay and if you don't then gtfo. I'm going to pay whatever they charge.. however... I am starting to see that there are a lot of current players who aren't just trolling or being haters but just honestly want to pay a little less until 2.0 comes out.

Everyone wants to pay less for everything.. it's not a good reason to actually charge less for it.

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Originally Posted by lvicious

I'm just saying I understand the argument and it's really hard to just dismiss it.

No, I think it's pretty easy. If you've been playing the game and have enjoyed it enough that you'd like to continue playing, and on top of that, care enough that you'll complain on the forums trying to get the price dropped for illegitimate reasons, you care enough to pay - whether you say that you'll pay or not. If the game means so much to you that you'll get up in arms over the idea of not being able to play, it's worth your $12.

How many people play over 12 hours a month? I'd say even among the complainers, it's the vast majority. That means you'd be paying under $1 an hour. If the game isn't worth $1 an hour, you shouldn't be playing it.
10-20-2011, 10:24 PM
stoned

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Originally Posted by Zeroeffect

It's all really simple... People on here want something for nothing...

sheep....baaaaaaaah

if u guys enjoy the game so much why are u trolling topics that wont effect u in any other way besides benefiting u. more players and more money in your pocket. no1 is tryin to get anything for nothing. most of us payed for what we getting when we showed how much we wanted to play the game and payed 80 bucks for it. any1 debating the ops point of veiw are sheep. and yes i am trolling cuzz that all any debate bein made in these post are.

i change my vote to i hope SE figures out it still wont make much money and shuts down the game till 2.0 come out so none of u can play. and u have to wait for the product that we want, and have a lil understanind on why we feel this way. to many fanboys with blinded biased opinions wont even consider the others guys point of view.
10-20-2011, 10:36 PM
Physic

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Originally Posted by stoned

sheep....baaaaaaaah

if u guys enjoy the game so much why are u trolling topics that wont effect u in any other way besides benefiting u. more players and more money in your pocket. no1 is tryin to get anything for nothing. most of us payed for what we getting when we showed how much we wanted to play the game and payed 80 bucks for it. any1 debating the ops point of veiw are sheep. and yes i am trolling cuzz that all any debate bein made in these post are.

i change my vote to i hope SE figures out it still wont make much money and shuts down the game till 2.0 come out so none of u can play. and u have to wait for the product that we want, and have a lil understanind on why we feel this way. to many fanboys with blinded biased opinions wont even consider the others guys point of view.

why do you care if anyone else can play when you dont desire to? You arent satisfied with the product, cool you can wait for the product you want. what is the difference if they keep it open or shut it down, for someone who doesnt want to pay till 2.0, its the same thing for you.
10-20-2011, 10:37 PM
Starlord

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Originally Posted by stoned

sheep....baaaaaaaah

if u guys enjoy the game so much why are u trolling topics that wont effect u in any other way besides benefiting u. more players and more money in your pocket. no1 is tryin to get anything for nothing. most of us payed for what we getting when we showed how much we wanted to play the game and payed 80 bucks for it. any1 debating the ops point of veiw are sheep. and yes i am trolling cuzz that all any debate bein made in these post are.

i change my vote to i hope SE figures out it still wont make much money and shuts down the game till 2.0 come out so none of u can play. and u have to wait for the product that we want, and have a lil understanind on why we feel this way. to many fanboys with blinded biased opinions wont even consider the others guys point of view.

You look and sound like a sheep.
10-20-2011, 10:56 PM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by AamesxDavid

Everyone wants to pay less for everything.. it's not a good reason to actually charge less for it.

No, I think it's pretty easy. If you've been playing the game and have enjoyed it enough that you'd like to continue playing, and on top of that, care enough that you'll complain on the forums trying to get the price dropped for illegitimate reasons, you care enough to pay - whether you say that you'll pay or not. If the game means so much to you that you'll get up in arms over the idea of not being able to play, it's worth your $12.

How many people play over 12 hours a month? I'd say even among the complainers, it's the vast majority. That means you'd be paying under $1 an hour. If the game isn't worth $1 an hour, you shouldn't be playing it.

This is the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. Or put another way, a False Dilemma.

You're trying to frame this so that there are only two extreme possibilities: Pay full price or leave, without allowing for any reasonable third option.

We're not asking for a lower rate just because we like to save money.

FFXIV probably has almost the same operational costs no matter how many players are playing it. It would be as though you could sell an infinite amount of watermelons, and all you had to do was name your price. Would you rather sell 10,000 watermelons for $13 or 30,000 watermelons for $6?

Businesses do these sorts of calculations all the time. There's a "sweet spot" where the right price can bring in more revenue than just charging as much as you think you can get away with. Given the extraordinary circumstances of this game, this may actually be a valid third option that both casts a wider net and brings in more revenue at the same time.

You could be overlooking a better solution by sticking with your "pay full price or leave" attitude. It makes no sense.
10-20-2011, 11:03 PM
Starlord

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

This is the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. Or put another way, a False Dilemma.

You're trying to frame this so that there are only two extreme possibilities: Pay full price or leave, without allowing for any reasonable third option.

We're not asking for a lower rate just because we like to save money.

FFXIV probably has almost the same operational costs no matter how many players are playing it. It would be as though you could sell an infinite amount of watermelons, and all you had to do was name your price. Would you rather sell 10,000 watermelons for $13 or 30,000 watermelons for $6?

Businesses do these sorts of calculations all the time. There's a "sweet spot" where the right price can bring in more revenue than just charging as much as you think you can get away with. Given the extraordinary circumstances of this game, this may actually be a valid third option that both casts a wider net and brings in more revenue at the same time.

You could be overlooking a better solution by sticking with your "pay full price or leave" attitude. It makes no sense.

But the Question is,

Concerning all the costs of having SE keep up their Servers, pay there GMs, pay their 250 people, NOW currently working on FFXIV in general, Server maintenance (Implementation of patches).

All that nice stuff that SE has to do to keep ALL servers open as well.. do you really HONESTLY think that 5-6 bucks a month with the current fanbase as it is, will cover all of those cost, to either remain even or even make ( somewhat) of a profit?

You have to look at the bigger picture, and be in SE position Right now. When it comes down to crunching the numbers, discounting the game ( with its current fanbase as it is) will only cover (maybe) half the costs.

Edit: Also More money= More Resources= Better Version 2.0

Our money= Investment= Better Version 2.0

Can't their be a Happy Medium?

Or do you want a what you call " an unfinished product" again?

Also, a lot of people want to see the Success of FFXIV correct? ( I don't know why this is even an arguement :/) I understand, the peopel want to get what they are paying for.. I understand that completely.. but if 2.0 doesn't succeed Our 2.0 Dream will be nothing but a dream. We say we want a game that we can all play, that we can all enjoy together as a community. We say that we support FFXIV and Yoshi-P to get the job done.

We say a lot of things, but the question is:

Is this the truth behind the eyes of the players?

Or is this the " Daggers behind a persons smile" trick?

We all got 1 and 1/4th year Free: You may call it a Business Tactic by SE, maybe it is ( and probably is) but could have also shut down the server ( to retain money) and rebuild FFXIV 2.0. That to is also a Business tactic ( and a more money saver going this route and leaving the players who want to play FFXIV in the dust) . They could have easily have done this with a snap of a finger.

They are Dedicated to making this game Superior over any other MMO ( one step at a time though) getting this MMO standing on its 2 feet.

I know I'm doing my part in making the success of this game happen, if it requires my 12.99 ( or a discounted price if they choose to go this route) then that's exactly what i'm going to do.

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