How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Envoyé par Dervy

This is why I like you Thendiel. You actually sit down and do the Math. I just throw numbers into my spreadsheet and it spits out stuff without checking a lot of things, lmao.

But it's good to know that both our models give us the same conclusion: H - IDC4 - P - TTT4 is best rotation until around 2.15 GCD.

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LMAO. And I like you because I'm a spreadsheet-model idiot who uses abacus math, and it's always comforting to get some more sophisticated confirmation that I didn't forget to carry a 3 or something.

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Envoyé par Dervy

It's around 1 PPS more with another Dragoon and the GK/BotD rotation is a lot more complex. Instead of remembering "BOTD#1 = GK after CT, BOTD#2 = GK after FT" etc, it's all over the place. I'd rather wait and see what Alexander gear will look like, but at around 2.15 GCD, you can switch back to our old IDC/TTT rotation.

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My formula is actually showing a potency loss under the altered double-dragoon rotation, until the dragoon using the H - IDC - P - TTT - H - TTT - P - IDC approach reaches a GCD lower than 2.377 seconds. I'll try and double check the numbers later on to make sure.

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Envoyé par spelley

Jesus. Do we have any other similarly-geared DPS classes to measure that against?

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Here, just for reference:

I was at i164 with the i180 weapon, no food, no pots, only party buff, 3 min parse--I hit 1077 @15% crit.

so while 2.4s might be "ideal" it doesn't mean it's practical. det still holds 70% of its old value (since 30% of damage came from AA's) making it stronger than crit prepatch. and crit post-patch has a crit damage multiplier. a big deal for a job that holds 30% in crit buffs.

now unless the value of skill speed went up significantly i find it hard to believe that any SS is going to be worth it. i mean skillspeeds value would literally have to double from pre-patch

AA's were only 22.3% of a Dragoons overall DPS. Depending on how much they nerfed AA's, it fell to around 18-20%.

Also, currently in 3.0, there is no gear optimisation. There's only one set of end-game gear. You cannot optimise. Until we know what Alexander Normal/Savage gear is like, we cannot make any calculated decisions on "what holds more value", as we have no other stat-values at that baseline to compare it to.

on a 1175 3m parse, my autos were 197 dps, or about 16.7% of my dps

the extra skill speed on top of its benefits for gcd/ph and ht uptime (without a certain amount, they fall off before you refresh)/increased dot damage, reaching the 2.40 plateau lets you comfortably get another geirskogul in your rotation before the next botd is up. it's definitely worth it imo

as for crit rate.. i think our crit rate is too low right now for crit rate to truly shine. my average crit rate @i179 is around 16%-17%. when you combine litany+ir it's nice and the crit damage increase is probably noticeable, but outside of that, i think det should be stronger point for point until overall crit rate improves in a gear tier or two

anyway; is it worth using life surge on a f&c/wt starting from chaos thrust, or should you save it for the 70 potency high full thrust?

My Opener is now:

HT - [BFB + BL] - ID - [POT] - DIS - [BOTD+IR] - CT - [PS] - 4TH - [GK] - TT - [JUMP] - VP - [LS] - FT -> Blow jumps


As for Life Surge, I haven't a clue how to use it efficiently yet.... I just use it off-cooldown.

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Envoyé par Gardes

Oooh, this makes it less complicated for me as a controller user. I can just use /chotbar change at the end of each combo to auto change sets into a set that has both 4th hits and heavy/phleb. After that, since heavy and phleb leads into static combos, I can just use that to another set with specific combos. And still without incurring macro's queue penalty! Nice!

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Can you explain this a bit more? Currently, my setup is:

R2+Face
HT
ID
Dis
CT

R2+D-Pad
IR
LS
B4B
PS

L2+Face
Ph
TT
VT
FT

L2+D-pad
Jump
SSD
Mercy
LS

R2+L2+Face
Elusive
DFD
DS
Piercing talon

R2+L2+D-pad
Second wind
Blood bath
Forsight
Keen flurry

Then i made L2+R2+Dpad
Battle litany
Blood of the dragon
Fang and claw
Wheeling thrust


How does /chotbar work, do you just put it in a macro with chaos/fullthrust? I want to make controller play simpler :/

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Envoyé par Dervy

My Opener is now:

HT - [BFB + BL] - ID - [POT] - DIS - [BOTD+IR] - CT - [PS] - 4TH - [GK] - TT - [JUMP] - VP - [LS] - FT -> Blow jumps


As for Life Surge, I haven't a clue how to use it efficiently yet.... I just use it off-cooldown.

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that's really solid compared to mine, nice. i think low ping heroes can tweak it to get more jumps off while fully buffed though (and it looks like you missed PH)

HT (BFB+BL) > ID (xpot) > Dis (IR+BoTD) > CT (PS+LSW) > 4th (Jump) > PH (SSD/DFD) > TT (SSD/DFD) > VT (LS+GK) > FT > 4th

i dont think casting the first GK early will do much for the rotation, so i think pairing it with LS works out well

B4b and litany after HT? Does that clip GC? HT animation is pretty short.

Ooops, I knew something was off.

Yeah, yours looks slightly better. Where's your GK though?

EDIT: Just saw your edit. Yeah, you can die it in with anything, that's why I really like GK. The animation is so short and its literally instant.

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Envoyé par Jonnycbad

B4b and litany after HT? Does that clip GC? HT animation is pretty short.

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Go BL -> BFB, not BFB -> BL if it clips. I don't get any clips doing it like this.