Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

The problem is it was never an issue with us not being able to execute the UH rotation, but that it simply does less dps than a rotation that only uses B4 during opener.
The adjustments might help with the mp problem, but the UH core mechanic is still broken.

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Moreover, if it's true that there will be more MP adjustments and we get slightly more MP or Fire IV reduced MP cost, 3.0 rotation will be even better.
Doing the 3.0 rotation Fire IV x2 - Fire I - Fire IV x2 when you are full MP leaves you with 2400 MP (MP cost of Fire IV). More MP or less MP cost from Fire IV would allow you to put an extra Fire IV. With 4.0 Rotation it would be impossible to fit an extra Fire IV without a Firestart proc.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Moreover, if it's true that there will be MP adjustments and we get slightly more MP or Fire IV reduced MP cost, 3.0 rotation will be even better.
Doing the 3.0 rotation Fire IV x2 - Fire I - Fire IV x2 when you are full MP leaves you with 2400 MP (MP cost of Fire IV). More MP or less MP cost from Fire IV would allow you to put an extra Fire IV. With 4.0 Rotation it would be impossible to fit an extra Fire IV without a Firestart proc.

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Hmm sounds interesting, you think we might be able to do 3-1-2 without B4? It might end up being tight again though, so might will require some testing.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

Hmm sounds interesting, you think we might be able to do 3-1-2 without B4? It might end up being tight again though, so might will require some testing.

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I think 2-1-3 would be more forgiving since B3 cast time is much faster than F1 with 3 AF stacks.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

3.X still has higher pps than 4.0- 152 VS 148, the same margin we have now.

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Would it be possible to show me your numbers with the new Blizz/Fire IV 2.8 cast time? I'm getting different results.

139,3057081 PPS (3.0) vs 140,1707923 PPS (4.0) which means 4.0 is now slightly ahead if performed perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

Would it be possible to show me your numbers with the new Blizz/Fire IV 2.8 cast time? I'm getting different results.

139,3057081 PPS (3.0) vs 140,1707923 PPS (4.0) which means 4.0 is now slightly ahead if performed perfectly.

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But if there's some mana adjustments maybe 3.0 rotation may be able to fit 5 Fire IV

cast time of b4 and f4 reduced by
by 0.2 sec?? that's just too OP,... 0.1 would be by far enough lol..

with that, blm can finally earn it's spot
(...sarcasm)

All of the things they have told us about wont really fix the issue of 3.0 vs 4.0 rotations. The point at which the 4.0 rotation surpasses the 3.0 is raw PPS assuming 0 random procs, is when your Fire 4s take 2.25s to cast. And the only reason for this is because at this speed, you start clipping your thunder dot by 2 ticks. Having them take .2s less at the start does help reach this, but that doesn't fix the problem. Now if you introduce T3P, which highly benefit the 3.0 rotations flexibility, you still don't have solid reason to do 4.0. They need to make UH do something more beneficial, or revert the potency nerf. But who knows, maybe there is more that we don't know. We will just have to wait. MP management will most likely not benefit 4.0 outside of making the rotation more reliable, not potent.

We need our potencies back, I don't understand why it was reduced in the first place. Blm was decent, but hardly overpowered.

Maybe both a potency and a castspeed buff would fix it, unless they want B4 to be a niche spell that you use when you know you can fix extra F4, has anyone tested if using B4 only on a leyline rotation is beneficial?

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

cast time of b4 and f4 reduced by
by 0.2 sec?? that's just too OP,... 0.1 would be by far enough lol..

with that, blm can finally earn it's spot
(...sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

We need our potencies back, I don't understand why it was reduced in the first place. Blm was decent, but hardly overpowered.

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The 2.8 cast buff is being way too undervalued apparently. Here are some numbers so you guys can see what it actually did.

Potency alone means nothing for BLM. What does make a difference is the Potency per second and it has been buffed for F4 and B4.

Previously on HW, F4 had 280 potency with a 3 seconds cast time. With all the multipliers in place, 1.8 and 1.05 for AFIII and Enochian respectively, the total potency was 529.2. If you divide it by its cast time, you get its potency per second -> 529.2/3 = 176.4

Right now on SB, F4 has 260 potency with a 3 seconds cast time. Applying the same math as above, we have a total potency of 491.4 and a PPS of 163.8, which is indeed significantly weaker.

Now, with the 2.8 cast time, we have the previous potency (491.4) divided by the new cast time -> 491.4/2.8 = 175.5.

What this means is that F4 PPS went from 163.8 to 175.5, which is almost as good as the old 176.4! And it casts faster. But it's reasonable to point out it's only a PPS increase if you actually cast it (no Triple or Swift), which is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by RyeMinx

All of the things they have told us about wont really fix the issue of 3.0 vs 4.0 rotations. The point at which the 4.0 rotation surpasses the 3.0 is raw PPS assuming 0 random procs, is when your Fire 4s take 2.25s to cast

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I'd really like to see your numbers on this as well. According to what me and acouple friends have been looking at, 4.0 is already better.