Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

The lore excuse does bug me, especially considering there are Viera on the first and on the source. So... Viera society in alternate dimensions advanced exactly the same in their relations between the males and females with no difference? I find that a little hard to believe. Especially in light of a world destroying calamity. =/

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Yeah, the lore reasoning behind it all does feel pretty weak. At least there's a precedent for lore being adjusted and changed over time so if they are added, it can be tweaked. Given how much the development team seem to be struggling with the existing Hrothgar and Viera, though, it's looking like the missing genders won't be added anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Yeah, the lore reasoning behind it all does feel pretty weak. At least there's a precedent for lore being adjusted and changed over time so if they are added, it can be tweaked. Given how much the development team seem to be struggling with the existing Hrothgar and Viera, though, it's looking like the missing genders won't be added anytime soon.

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I wish they were struggling, then I could be content in the fact that they are actually trying.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

The lore excuse does bug me, especially considering there are Viera on the first and on the source. So... Viera society in alternate dimensions advanced exactly the same in their relations between the males and females with no difference? I find that a little hard to believe. Especially in light of a world destroying calamity. =/

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I am honestly not surprised that they did not change much with the races on the shard..one would believe that after thousands of years apart and having a shard that does not get reset all the time there would be a lot of differences.

Races with different structures and looks (only the beast tribes are seemingly allowed to look a bit different), way more technology since we only dont have that because of the constant calamities, different clothing styles, different languages...

Yet even the scions fit perfectly in it and can understand everyone..we see so many clothes that we also have on our source..barely any technologies and of course they suddenly take "Gil" as the new currency..

They could have truly shown this to us as an "alien" world that is that much different from ours..but they did not, which imo is also partly because that would be too much work..

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Originally Posted by Alleo

...barely any technologies and of course they suddenly take "Gil" as the new currency..

They could have truly shown this to us as an "alien" world that is that much different from ours..but they did not, which imo is also partly because that would be too much work..

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Just think the rage of players if the first used a currency called "lig" instead of gil. "My whole wallet is wasted! Why would I use gil now?" That for a kind soul, use creativity for foul language.

I do hope we see playable male viera added someday...I wants to be a bunny boy summoner!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I wish they were struggling, then I could be content in the fact that they are actually trying.

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I tbh think they just dont care bout new races. They probs just gonna half ass some stuff and call it a day

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PLEASE, I need this so much

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Originally Posted by RottingTrees

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PLEASE, I need this so much

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He looks like one of those "bog body" mummies. :)

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Originally Posted by RottingTrees

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PLEASE, I need this so much

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Yes to this.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Where do I sign? Gender locks are ridicolous.

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The best thing to do is leave a "like" on the OP of this thread. And if you have friends who would like male viera to be added to ffxiv, encourage them to leave a like on the OP as well.

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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I would choose male viera. I have faith more hair and headgear options will be added in time.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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Male Viera hands down. I have a Viera alt that's waiting to be switched to his rightful gender.

lets see if we can get to page 2064 this time next year

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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We who've bothered to open this Gimme Bunnyboys thread after it's lingered for so long are quite likely skewed towards wanting the male viera eh?

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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Male Viera for two reasons

1. If we get male Viera we would also get female Hrothgar and with both of them things wouldn't seem so jank in terms of Lore (Vis being on brink of extinction but still force males on front lines with sin eaters or how about the major Hrothgar settlement with no females at all), we know why we don't see them as players but in universe it really is messed up atm.

2. SE has already shown they ain't giving the female Viera anything unless male Hrothgar get something as well, they are a package deal and welp that would be a lot of new faces to get everything for Hrothgar. Let alone all currently working headgear modeled for them which gets to the point where it is just add the other genders, untie female Viera from male Hrothgar and tie them to male Viera, be easier to update each race based on the amount of work needed is different, yea a race is going to end up with the short end of the stick but it is something the devs did to themselves.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering, let us say "if" people had to choose exclusively between male viera or all hair, and headgear options unlocked for female viera which one would win out? Question popped up in discord group I was in and the answers surprised me, so wonder if it will be the same on the forums.

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Personally I think the more interesting question would be "IF they ever make the counterparts to these races would you be ok with them designing the heads to be more inline with the other races to allow for all shared hair and head gear to work or would you prefer they have the same limits as their counterparts?"

From what I read people seem dead set on refusing to acknowledge that giant knives coming out of the top of your head, taking up like 40-50% of the crown of your skull, makes it very hard to redesign all these styles for them so they blame the link with Hrothgar ... when it really goes both ways. (Like the Warg set. Could easily work on Hrothgar ... would look like a mess with Viera ears clipping though)

So yeah, we don't actually know what either looks like. If we saw them and found that the male Viera had smaller ears that go back and female Hrothgar had flatter faces and actual hair and they both had their ears in about the same position as kitty ears then would that spark outrage even knowing that it would allow for sharing hairs and far more head gear for them?

As for your question, many people have been vocal about how "they should fix what they already gave us before thinking about adding new mess!" but asking that in this thread is kinda a waste lol

I would choose male Viera first (and female Hrothgar) and then continue to remind SE that they are a huge company with over a million active subs for FF14 thus should be able to provide hair and headgear for everyone. ;) Win Win. We get all the missing genders and maybe races that are not limited.

I could see this being a "this or that" choice if it was a free to play game or maybe a small company. But FF14 is a paid MMO with a huge cash shop (and expensive items..), big number of subs and the company itself is far away from indie.

Assuming they looked good, I'd prefer to see viera men added to the game first even if they were limited in terms of hairstyles and the ability to wear headgear. I don't often display headgear on my Midlander and I tend to stick to one hairstyle for him anyway since I don't actually like a lot of the options presented in the first place.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Personally I think the more interesting question would be "IF they ever make the counterparts to these races would you be ok with them designing the heads to be more inline with the other races to allow for all shared hair and head gear to work or would you prefer they have the same limits as their counterparts?"

From what I read people seem dead set on refusing to acknowledge that giant knives coming out of the top of your head, taking up like 40-50% of the crown of your skull, makes it very hard to redesign all these styles for them so they blame the link with Hrothgar ... when it really goes both ways. (Like the Warg set. Could easily work on Hrothgar ... would look like a mess with Viera ears clipping though)

So yeah, we don't actually know what either looks like. If we saw them and found that the male Viera had smaller ears that go back and female Hrothgar had flatter faces and actual hair and they both had their ears in about the same position as kitty ears then would that spark outrage even knowing that it would allow for sharing hairs and far more head gear for them?

As for your question, many people have been vocal about how "they should fix what they already gave us before thinking about adding new mess!" but asking that in this thread is kinda a waste lol

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Originally Posted by PondHollow

We who've bothered to open this Gimme Bunnyboys thread after it's lingered for so long are quite likely skewed towards wanting the male viera eh?

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Reason I wanted to ask in this thread is that within the discord group I am in they are honestly die hard male viera supporters so when this question popped up I was honestly shocked that the majority of them said they would rather have what is already in place fleshed out completely then having another restricted gender. Granted it is a small sample size, I was just wondering.

Overall it is a it was a silly question to ask in such a thread, but did not feel it was worthy of it's own thread just to humor my curiosity.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Reason I wanted to ask in this thread is that within the discord group I am in they are honestly die hard male viera supporters so when this question popped up I was honestly shocked that the majority of them said they would rather have what is already in place fleshed out completely then having another restricted gender. Granted it is a small sample size, I was just wondering.

Overall it is a it was a silly question to ask in such a thread, but did not feel it was worthy of it's own thread just to humor my curiosity.

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I think it was a good place to ask it. Of course most of us would probably like the missing gender more than the other option but even if you like male Vieras one could still have a different view.

And if you had opened a new thread for this on the general forum some people would have complained that you could have posted this in the mega thread instead of opening up another one.

I would rather have a male viera at the stage that female is now than not. Alas, I don't use most headgears and always come back to the hairstyle that I created my char.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I think it was a good place to ask it. Of course most of us would probably like the missing gender more than the other option but even if you like male Vieras one could still have a different view.

And if you had opened a new thread for this on the general forum some people would have complained that you could have posted this in the mega thread instead of opening up another one.

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True, people have different views it just shocked me to hear hardcore male viera supporters to the point where they use female and say they are men or other races and use the bunny ears and RP as a male viera just have that stance. Was wondering generally how shared such a view was granted both the discord and this thread are a small sample size but it was for curiosity sake.

Eh.. I don't think we should get male viera unless it was properly done, less limited than females at least.

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Originally Posted by Awha

True, people have different views it just shocked me to hear hardcore male viera supporters to the point where they use female and say they are men or other races and use the bunny ears and RP as a male viera just have that stance. Was wondering generally how shared such a view was granted both the discord and this thread are a small sample size but it was for curiosity sake.

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Do they go on the forum? If so, they should definitely leave a like on the OP ;)

The way I see it, it would be best to get your foot in the door for male viera. New headgear and hair options for female viera are certain to come out - the devs aren't just going to make a new playable race and never add these things to them after release.

However, male viera are not certain. So when you ask the question "would you rather have more headgear/hairstyle for the new races, or male viera", I want to get male viera in the door.

Hairstyles and headgear will come in time. We just need patience. Those of us who have been requesting female and male viera to come out for years have a lot of it lol

As much as I want male viera (and by the twelve do I want to play one), I really want them to fix up the classes like healer (and bard) first.


Hang on a second... was this their masterplan all along? /insert thinking emoji

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

As much as I want male viera (and by the twelve do I want to play one), I really want them to fix up the classes like healer (and bard) first.


Hang on a second... was this their masterplan all along? /insert thinking emoji

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I really doubt that those that create races are the same as those that are creating jobs..otherwise they really need more people.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I really doubt that those that create races are the same as those that are creating jobs..otherwise they really need more people.

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Yeah, it's likely different teams. It's also very subjective as to whether or not there's anything to 'fix' on that front, anyway.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Eh.. I don't think we should get male viera unless it was properly done, less limited than females at least.

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Same
I'm not at all against male Viera but I just hope you guys don't get as screwed as we were with the females, and the same applies to Ronso (yeah, not even trying to write their name down ^^")

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Originally Posted by Brightmore

I would rather have a male viera at the stage that female is now than not. Alas, I don't use most headgears and always come back to the hairstyle that I created my char.

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Well you come back to the same hairstyle because you found one you were happy with, thanks to the broad selection you get with other races.
It's not quite the same when you only get half a dozen options. I'm personally not satisfied with the limited choices for Viera.

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Originally Posted by Mei-Yisi

Well you come back to the same hairstyle because you found one you were happy with, thanks to the broad selection you get with other races.
It's not quite the same when you only get half a dozen options. I'm personally not satisfied with the limited choices for Viera.

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There's a lot of people who would settle for a limited selection of hairstyles over not being able to play male viera, I'd wager.

I don't like most of the hairstyles in this game, so I'm not too bothered about whether or not there's limited options for male viera hairstyles. So long as there's at least one good style, I'll be content.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's a lot of people who would settle for a limited selection of hairstyles over not being able to play male viera, I'd wager.

I don't like most of the hairstyles in this game, so I'm not too bothered about whether or not there's limited options for male viera hairstyles. So long as there's at least one good style, I'll be content.

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What if there are limited hairs for male viera, and the hairs are bad?! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Mei-Yisi

Well you come back to the same hairstyle because you found one you were happy with, thanks to the broad selection you get with other races.
It's not quite the same when you only get half a dozen options. I'm personally not satisfied with the limited choices for Viera.

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Pretty much.

It's easy to want but when you get something like this and you're faced with the truth of the matter things go sour real fast. A huge part of telling people apart in this game is head shapes and colors. Viera, as it stands, are mostly limited to human skin colors plus grays. They only have 8 unique hairstyles, only 1 for "sporty short hair". They can't cover their heads in most cases. So yeah, it's very easy to feel the limits when many people just pick the generally agreed up ton better styles, try to make generally pretty people with the same human skin and you can't really change your head shape. Lots of twins and same face.

Hrothgar don't have that issue from what I've seen as they have a large selection of colors they can be, very stand outty heads and their numbers aren't as large. It's easy to tell them apart even if many want to use the pretty face. But they have their own major problems in that they have NO hair options. You gotta pay for that ish. And you got people like me who like face X but not feeling any hairs on it...

These are limits no one should wish for or welcome, hats off to those who see the limits and can deal with it (Cause they can't wear em Ba Dum Tss).

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What if there are limited hairs for male viera, and the hairs are bad?! :eek:

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That'd suck, though I doubt that'd ever be the case.

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Originally Posted by Mei-Yisi

Well you come back to the same hairstyle because you found one you were happy with, thanks to the broad selection you get with other races.
It's not quite the same when you only get half a dozen options. I'm personally not satisfied with the limited choices for Viera.

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I finally got irritated enough that I swapped back to cat. Seriously frustrating limitations.

I'm all for them adding male Viera and female Hrothgar, but I also think they absolutely shouldn't add any more races unless they're prepared to actually finish them to a level that enables the same level of customizability as every other race in the game - and bring current Viera and Hrothgar to that level.

SE clearly bit off more than they could chew with just this "one" race (V/H combined), and the timeline for making adjustments so far (unless they're pretty darn major when they do come) leaves something to be desired imo.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That'd suck, though I doubt that'd ever be the case.

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This is SE we are talking about here. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's a lot of people who would settle for a limited selection of hairstyles over not being able to play male viera, I'd wager.

I don't like most of the hairstyles in this game, so I'm not too bothered about whether or not there's limited options for male viera hairstyles. So long as there's at least one good style, I'll be content.

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I'm in the same boat, tbh. And to be fair, when ARR first came out, there were a lot less hairstyles than there are now. They had added more along the way, and they'll continue to add more in the future. I'm sure Viera & Hrothgar will get more hairstyles (or...faces... in Hrothgar's case...) eventually, just not today... or the next month, etc. So, yeah, I would definitely take male viera with limited hairstyles to start with, because I know they'll eventually get more.


Hairstyles are purely cosmetic, whereas gender/sex isn't, so I think adding male viera should be a priority to adding more hair.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What if there are limited hairs for male viera, and the hairs are bad?! :eek:

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Not only that but "being bad" is quite subjective too. With my Viera I only liked one single hairstyle (the short one), every other hairstyle simply did not look good with my character and thus I was stuck with one..as someone that does like to change it up this really made me turn back to Au Ra..there at least I have a huge amount of hairstyles that look good on my character (in my eyes).

So if males also have only like 8 styles and none of those fit your type of character then you are out of luck...and you cant even hide the hair under hats.

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

Hairstyles are purely cosmetic, whereas gender/sex isn't, so I think adding male viera should be a priority to adding more hair.

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I do agree that I would want races over hairstyles because they at least are in the game and can be played but hair is a big thing for quite some people (we already have quite a few that changed back because of that and the missing hair, myself included) Hair is part of what makes a character your character. I have quite some of the longer hairstyles that look great on other people but as soon as I use them with my character I cant stand them because it just does not fit.

The problem with the limited races right now is, that we have no idea when and how many new hairstyles they even get. (And with faces being tied to hairstyles with Hrothgar I really doubt they get many) They really should solve that problem soon (which sadly is no problem to them..at least it feels like that) because if we get the missing races they have doubled the amount of work again..Instead of having one hairstyle that fits all races and both gender they have to make a couple of those for the normal races, then make a new face for male Hrothgar and a new face for female Hrothgar. And if they dont just simply put a male or female Hairstyle on the other viera they will also need two different ones here...

So much work..at a time where we already get less hairstyles for the normal races. Wonder if that will cut down the ones for the other races too in the future. Maybe we will truly just get one new one then which will be unisex.

I still support this even now! Both Male Viera and Female Hrothgar!

I want small cute bunny bois instead of the admittedly delicious bishie handsome bunnies I often see drawn instead. Don't @ me.

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I want small cute bunny bois instead of the admittedly delicious bishie handsome bunnies I often see drawn instead. Don't @ me.

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No. They look like children and the shota(?) vibes of beautiful amazonian queens mating with child-like bunny "bois" is fricken creepy.

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Originally Posted by Kazran

I still support this even now! Both Male Viera and Female Hrothgar!

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Ditto! I love your signature! (Could anyone use it if they wanted to so long as they added you to the credits???)