Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Meimi_chan

Maybe someone just crafted him the stuff for free. I mean, I did craft some 220 stuff for friends that reached level 60 to help them meet the ilvl requirements for duties; they then used alex/eso gear to replace the other pieces.

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I know where you're coming from and as a crafter I do that myself for my friends - the reason I've got trouble to believe that this was the case here is that I would NEVER craft stuff for a friend and not make sure hes actually playing decently aka having at least all his skills... I mean... what sort of friend lets you derp around like this and just throws gear at you instead of giving some decent advice?

Ooo, one of my favorite stories from when I was leveling WHM where I actually failed the guildhest 'Hero in/on the Halfshell.

Queue up for my Guildhest roulette and get Hero, alright no problem. Cast protect and look at the tank who has a noob leaf. Tank runs off and pulls the turtle and we start. We kill all the adds no problem, all the while the tank is literally running around in circles with the turtle. I go to stand by the herb patch, fire sprite spawns and the DPS go to kill that, tank is still turning the turtle into a flying turtle. DPS kill the fire sprite and I call for the tank to come to me as I light the patch, no response and he keeps spinning around. Both DPS start to tell him to go over to me and we yell at him to stop killing the turtle, still no response and by this time it was too late for me just to let him die so we can take aggro. Tank ends up killing the turtle and I end up failing one of the easiest things in the whole game I didn't even know it was possible.

Oh my god the same happened to me once, except I was levelling my alt and it was an archer or bard who went in there proclaiming they "pull a lot of aggro". Long story short, the tank (a gladiator) despite their valiant efforts, lose aggro to the bard because said bard is only attacking the turtle. so we all wait over by the herb patch but the bard... isn't moving despite us all telling them to come there... so they kill it. I was staring at my screen in disbelief, the tank straight up left once they saw where that was going, and I leave after them.

I requeue.

Same archerbard again.

The marauder had an iron grip on the turtle and we clear without issue but damn.

Was in Cutter's Cry as WHM joined in Progress.

There was only a Gladiator and me in the dungeon, and the Gladiator was completely naked with no shield equipped.

I ask him "Where is your gear?" and "Why are you naked?" But I get no response...He pulls 1 bat toward the entrance and he desperately tries to tank it, but he is squishier than me... Doesn't even attempt to pop cooldowns for that 1 bat. So I kick him and leave. Probably a person that had no idea how tanking works maybe.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I'm already pretty pissed and ask for WM again, no reaction... I explain WHY I'd like him to use it.

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I'm actually curious what logic you used, since the difference between WM and non-WM is not enough to cause wipes or slow things to a crawl in a roulette. WM has a much higher likelihood of losing your rhythm and dropping more dps, whereas 2.0 BRD can be more consistent under all situations without having to learn 2 different dances. If the BRD sucked, they just sucked, regardless of WM. Demanding WM from a BRD who doesn't have practice with it will not make your DF any quicker, and getting pissed will make it seem long regardless of actual time elapsed.

At 120% boost, WM was an acknowledged DPS loss. At 130% boost, it's a gain, but the difference between 120% and 130% is only 8%. So, looking at it simplistically, you can expect less than 8% boost with extra complexity and unreliability. If the BRD is not all that good to begin with, I think you might want them to stick with non-WM.

I don't have WM on my bar because I don't find it to be fun (makes the combat system worse than it already was). After all these years, my muscles are way too twitchy on my mouse hand, and it cancels too many actions. The only content I haven't attempted and completed yet is Thordan ex, Seph ex, and savage modes (no interest). The only person to ask me about using WM was a tank who couldn't even hold aggro from me until I slowed down use of my buffs (using quelling strikes when available) in a regular dungeon. WM would have made that worse. This was right around the time of HW release. Other than that, no complaints or comments.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

At 120% boost, WM was an acknowledged DPS loss. At 130% boost, it's a gain, but the difference between 120% and 130% is only 8%. So, looking at it simplistically, you can expect less than 8% boost with extra complexity and unreliability. If the BRD is not all that good to begin with, I think you might want them to stick with non-WM..

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You also lose two other skills just by not using WM, Emp Arrow and Iron Jaws. If the bard isn't all that good to begin with, it's certainly not going to improve by ignoring skills...

Not having WM is a significant DPS loss in almost all conditions at level 60 (there are a few times where it is good to turn it off but not many).
No EA/Barrage combo and with no iron jaws for dot refresh - its also a TP loss.

Now with the 120-130 buff there is basically no excuse for a lvl 60 bard not to use WM 90%+ of the time. If you don't see a gain with WM - you are either missing the IJ dot refresh, clipping it really badly or not managing to weave your oGCDs effectively.

Like it or not a level 60 bard who doesn't know how to use WM is in the same category of bad as an ice mage.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

Stuff I cant believe...

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1) A reason you might understand why I was pissed: That guy didnt reacted at all - he never said "hi" or anything and ignored the chat all in all. His "stfu" was a real quote. May I be pissed for playing with such an ignorant jerk?

2) So you're telling me you're playing your level 60 bard like a level 50 one? I'm sorry, I have little sympathy for that. I consider bard my main dps and yes, WM was a huge change - but learning how to handle it and find a new rythm shouldnt take to long - unless ofc you refuse to learn. You're missing out on a 30% damagebuff and two new skills - SE is basically telling you "This is the way that bard is supposed to be played now!"

3) WM isnt only a damageboost it also slows you down, giving your TP time to fill up - I personally enjoy it for that reason aswell and that bard was often enough standing around doing nothing because he didnt had any TP left.

Ofc we didnt wipe. Ofc the dungeon didnt took that much longer. So maybe I'm a bit sensitive - or maybe I'm a bit to german :P But I hate this form of ineffiency and ignorance. You're one of those "Its my sub, not yours!"-people, right? Please consider that you're not playing alone but with 3-7 other people. Using an argument like "you didnt wipe" isnt really clever because this was a group-effort and we had a badass-scholar dpsing all the time. Furthermore: Are you really okay with "we didnt wipe"? You can pass several dungeons/trials with one or more players not giving their best (or anything at all) because most of the content is faceroll easy. I strongly believe that everyone still has the chance to improve themself everyday - that being said: I wouldnt have kicked that bard if he would have been more polite and explained himself (as in "I never played bard and only came back" etc. etc.) - I wouldnt have kicked you either but strongly adviced you to learn how to handle WM. I totally understand where you're coming from and EVERY bard I know didnt liked it at first but we all learned to adjust and so can you! (I dont believe WM is going anywhere so if you want to continue playing this game you're probadly best to learn it NOW...)

Frankly I dont care if we wipe or not and WM wasnt the real issue here - the issue is the same thats bugging me everytime I see someone whos playing bad becaue they refuse to learn - thats ignorance. Maybe I'm being to sensitive here but its more the attitude behind this that I dont tolerate - not that a dungeon might take two minutes longer.

TL/DR WM or not wasnt the issue here for me - someone being unwilling to learn and being ignorant about how his class should be played was. Step up your game, bards! Learn to adjust - or find a new class to enjoy!

I was in a Dzemael Darkhold run with one of the worst Astro healers ever. Weak heals, kept getting agro somehow, caused one wipe and barely prevented several others. I know the warrior tank was less than well geared( his health went up and down like a jackhammer) but jeez it should't be that hard to keep the tank up and heal others at the same time. One of the DPS died because the healer was too focused in the tank. I felt like that healer needs some serious lessons to improve. It was embarrassing to watch.

P.s. I was there on my healer.

Vidu is lying, she knows one bard who liked WM from the start :p

Anyway, I was running Haukke NM on my machinist and well, I lost my tank again, this time they had a DC and never came back, that was at the first trash packs after the first boss (they pulled the first two together and then they were gone, that was fun). AST said they don't have that much time left, so waiting forever for a new tank wasn't an option. Well, soon we noticed that you don't need a tank in Haukke - in fact you don't even need a fourth player as we cleared the rest of the dungeon with three people not more slowly than with a normal group of four. We actually got a new tank though - the final boss was at 40% then xD