How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

so the only way is to get a pocket ast and scholar

oh well w

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Originally Posted by Dervy

https://mega.nz/#!ssVxTZZD!s6iAuj1aO...DxiRv8EI3m1RXI

Link for my spreadsheet. Update it. A quick inspection looks like I may of broke the skillspeed section before I uploaded it 2 weeks ago... oops

Anyway, the numerical Skillspeed cap is 652 if you want to use Ariyala.

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Is this it based on Ariyala? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYMT

Did I just see 700 DET...

Anyway, I need to update the weights for this ilvl unless sunny wants to do it for me as he knows how my sheet works? :D

Or Panda can do it as long as he changes the reference to Strength and not against WD.

EDIT: Oh no. I just realised we (well you guys bwuahaha) need to figure out accuracy caps.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Did I just see 700 DET...


Anyway, I need to update the weights for this ilvl unless sunny wants to do it for me as he knows how my sheet works? :D

Or Panda can do it as long as he changes the reference to Strength and not against WD.

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Will the weight affect the BIS and all? But ignoring accuracy, seems like that's the "BIS" for now.

Also just want to check, how much does the SKS affect the DOT abilities since the SKS is up to 655 now.

Doesn't mitigate DoT clipping. The actual multiplier is between 0.00009 -> 0.00013 per point of skillspeed from 354.

And the weight could affect the BiS sets as CRT is exponential and the weight of SS decreases slightly...

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Originally Posted by wesmont

my rotation goes something like that:
HT-IR-TT-VT-LS-FT-Ph and repeat the FT combo. Can you please tell me where should i fit Jump or B4B which i'll get at 34?

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HT-B4B-Ph-IR-TT-Jump-VT-LS-FT should do nice.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Brionac. What a gorgeous name.

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"Brionac" is the name of a magic, living spear said to be owned by Lugh, a deity in Irish mythology. "Gae Bolg" is also from Irish mythology.

I really loved the name, mainly not because of the origin myth but because in the card game Yugioh there's a monster named "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" and it's one of the best Level 6 Synchro Monsters out there :p brings back memories!

Yup. Amaing card it were before it got banned. Nekroz of Broniac is another!... (I'm a TCG nerd)

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Originally Posted by kyrios91

HT-B4B-Ph-IR-TT-Jump-VT-LS-FT should do nice.

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thank you very much, it seems perfect, I'll try it whenever I'll be able to log back in.

I wonder if they will put in a Lance of Longinus at some point, theological concerns be damned (hah!)

Did you guys get Venus Gospel yet?

Also the new gear is AF3 not AF2...AF2 was myth tomes back in reborn. It was different than AF1.

What's the WD, AA_DMG and AA_DELAY of the i210 weapon? Are they identical?

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I wonder if they will put in a Lance of Longinus at some point,

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Patch 2.28, please look forward to it.

I don't have time to keep up with your DRG shenanigans!

EDIT: more like Gay Bolg amirite.

I main as drg, I just hit the buttons until things die.

Good job with this though, appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

What's the WD, AA_DMG and AA_DELAY of the i210 weapon? Are they identical?

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Brionac 76 72.96 2.88
Gordian Trident 76 72.96 2.88

Seems like it.

http://i.imgur.com/DjB7bhXh.jpg

Approximate weights. Had to use some horrible excel android app lmao.

Use the sim Luke...

PS: will release an update sometime today with Phleb being actually 24 seconds.

On my rotation it has DRG doing 1013 dps, other people probably have it higher closer to 1.1k

Which is great! Cause that is what its supposed to be.

Ideally this will also allow you to see what your 2.05 bis dps will be.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I wonder if they will put in a Lance of Longinus at some point, theological concerns be damned (hah!)

Did you guys get Venus Gospel yet?

Also the new gear is AF3 not AF2...AF2 was myth tomes back in reborn. It was different than AF1.

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The Myth stuff was actually AF+1, not AF2

Noone called it that! Ever! It sounds stupid just like your face is stupid ._.

The developpers called it that.

Okay. The weights I posted previously are the 3.05 weights. Just ran a few gear tests on Ariyala along side my model and got slightly varying weights, no gear set differences however.

Here they are again and yes, that is our expected DPS.

http://i.imgur.com/DjB7bhXh.jpg

That exact set was around 600 ACC. An optimised set with around 575acc is around 1490ish DPS. I tested 530-630 accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Yup. Amaing card it were before it got banned. Nekroz of Broniac is another!... (I'm a TCG nerd)

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OMG yes! FYI my IGN is "Dux Dragunity" - you would know that also! :D

Is there a BiS oriantation yet for the new esoteric gear?

Thanks for all the work on the guide btw, I really appreciate all the effort you put into it and it helps me out quite a lot!

So have any of you DRG PhDs figured out our new BiS? I've been playing around with Ariyala and lel I got a set which gave me 955 Skill Speed lel I can't imagine the GCD on that :p

EDIT: Found out from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1017385920 and it says 955 SSpd = 1.91 GCD. It might be lower because it's ARR SSpd and 590 SSpd is 2.42 GCD in the chart, while now 590 SSpd is 2.4 GCD. DRG burst + MNK / NIN GCD with GL3 / Huton would be insane :D

Use my solver I posted a few pages back. I'm unable to edit it efficiently on my android phone, so you'll have to manually import all the new gear choices from Ariyala or something.

Though, its capped at 2.3901 GCD unlike Ariyala. If you want an efficient set, download it, add the new gear choices, add the new weights in the Variables Sheet and done.

You'll also need to put accuracy caps in manually.

That sheet is out of date.

A new release of SimFF is out http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ulator-2-SimFF.

Of note, phlebotomize has been fixed to 24 second duration.

Also you can now enter your own damage formulas. Please take a look at the config file to see the default formulas used.

Important: if you have existing rotation scripts, you MUST change attr.aapotency to attr.aap, and attr.aadelay to attr.aad. I usually won't change the grammar in this way, however it was necessary for consistency and because the stat system backend changed a bit with the update.

So I've been fooling around with BiS for Dragoon, and I calculated the stats based on the stat weights posted about 2-3 pages behind.

A question I've been wondering is.. Do we stack crit? and then think of DET as secondary or are we still going for DET > CRT > SKS?

Anyways, the BiS list I found on this forum has a total weight of 1348.485 (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYMT) But it is severly lacking in ACC

This is a list I put together, based off of stacking CRT which ends up weighing in at 1335.153 without food but the ACC is fairly high and in a range of what I would assume would be A4 (I'm talking out of my ass I have no idea what the acc caps are yet) but here's the list. (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZP4)

Another question is, is this BiS a viable option?

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Okay. The weights I posted previously are the 3.05 weights. Just ran a few gear tests on Ariyala along side my model and got slightly varying weights, no gear set differences however.

Here they are again and yes, that is our expected DPS.

http://i.imgur.com/DjB7bhXh.jpg

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I just punched in the numbers on Ariyala and this is what the solver gave me:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZQU

With food buff:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZQX

skillspeed amount seems pretty excessive

maybe something like this would be more practical for a4s accuracy? since a1s already needs like 570 or so

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZTK

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Originally Posted by bj0rN

Is this it based on Ariyala? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYMT

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Originally Posted by Dervy

https://mega.nz/#!ssVxTZZD!s6iAuj1aO...DxiRv8EI3m1RXI

Link for my spreadsheet. Update it. A quick inspection looks like I may of broke the skillspeed section before I uploaded it 2 weeks ago... oops

Anyway, the numerical Skillspeed cap is 652 if you want to use Ariyala.

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

skillspeed amount seems pretty excessive

maybe something like this would be more practical for a4s accuracy? since a1s already needs like 570 or so

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZTK

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I thought the estimated SKS needed is 652 now.

not much for stat analyzing, how are the alex gear compared to eso for drg?

652 is the maximum and 590 is the minimum I recommend for gearing, they're just soft-caps. It's best to be around 600-620 as around that mark is exactly 2.4GC.

I also believe Black Truffles will be optimal food for us, but gl solving for 2 hours on Ariyala.

And the gear is very heavy on stats.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

652 is the maximum and 590 is the minimum I recommend for gearing, they're just soft-caps. It's best to be around 600-620 as around that mark is exactly 2.4GC.

I also believe Black Truffles will be optimal food for us, but gl solving for 2 hours on Ariyala.

And the gear is very heavy on stats.

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Clicked away and this is what we get!

Black Truffle as optimal food, with minimum 570 accuracy and 590 sks. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R028

I actually thought that I should just be getting the pieces that gives det and focus on crit with the rest. Guess not derp.

Skillspeed is way too high imo.

If there's an Accuracy requirement between 615-624, this is a really nice Set to use:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R039

587 SS... But the Det/CRT easily make up for it.

Any higher then 625, then Auirilys set is optimal.

Yeah it's just really hard to format things correctly on my phone. I'm trying my hardest!

Gonna do a massive overhaul when I get back home, don't you worry and also edit my solver so it's up to date and get all the BiS sets done.

How hard are Urchin Loafs to make? 40 Accuracy, 13 DET OP

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Skillspeed is way too high imo.

If there's an Accuracy requirement between 615-624, this is a really nice Set to use:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R039

587 SS... But the Det/CRT easily make up for it.

Any higher then 625, then Auirilys set is optimal.

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Oops! Realised that I posted the wrong link. Here's the correct one with Black Truffle as food. 580 Accuracy only though (which can probably only let us meet A1's accuracy requirements)

But yeah I gotta agree that Auirily's set is probably the optimal one for 625 SKS. ( http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QZTK )

Over time yea, as it allows you to align GK/BFB easier and gives a higher burst.