Tanaka or Yoshi?

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Well.. If they aren't...

Theres a reason for that. >_>

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*cough cough* all of us pathetic complainer's complaining about things before they are even released!
(meaning as an agreeing and talking to this OP' spamming the forum's with his complaints about everything, he should just make a post "Gifthorse just hates FFXIV and all my reasons for it" "EVERYTHING!!!!" topic done)

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Probably because western people don't let things go if the thread got shutdown someone will immediately make another and 10 more till they're banned -- also cultural.

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Another full agreement.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Probably because western people don't let things go if the thread got shutdown someone will immediately make another and 10 more till they're banned -- also cultural.

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That's a possibility. Westerners are not the kind to go quietly into the night when something like that is denied and are basically told "move on, citizen".

lol, well if i could read Japanese (which ill be taking a class soon enough), I wouldn't even bother to read up on the English forums myself. :P

Yoshi-P definitely takes the cake, the icing, and the six-pack of his choice in beverage. If because of nothing else, he likes to communicate with his audience in spite of language barriers and what-have-you.

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Originally Posted by Augury

So, an inarticulate person with good intentions who gets made into a fool by the mass media; or a product of popular opinion that knowingly lies to us? Doesn't sound like this argument at all.

Yoshi-P definitely takes the cake, the icing, and the six-pack of his choice in beverage. If because of nothing else, he likes to communicate with his audience in spite of language barriers and what-have-you.

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You mean the guy that was in charge when 9/11 Happened ? when the economy collapsed ? the one that committed 100K of our young ones in a war with no victory strategy ? The one that invaded a nation on the blatant lie of Weapons of mass destruction ? The one that said osama bin laden was not on his mind, even tho it was the reason to go to war in the first place ?

yeah bush was not an idiot at all.....

once again Yoshi-P is not a god he just one dude who doing a few more things then tanaka every did. But if you want FFXIV to be good you need tanaka and Yoshi-P to work together.

Tanaka had great ideas but the game was completely under-developed when he released it...after 5 years of work. Furthermore, as stated in this thread, "most of the 5 years were spent developing the engine" and it's still badly coded...have you ever noticed how nicer looking MMO games run much smoother than FFXIV? FFXIV has massive memory leaks and horrible optimization + huge resource use and it all leads back to terrible spaghetti coding in the engine.

Beyond that, most of the "nice ideas" Tanaka had in mind were implemented fairly horribly...I still can't believe he released the Market Wards without the search option. I don't know what he was thinking.

Yoshida on the other hand has made some pretty . . . enjoyable, I guess, changes but they don't have a large effect on the overall gaming experience. He has lots of changes planned but I'm guessing the majority of the changes will require lots of working with the spaghetti code Tanaka produced.

Right now I favor Yoshida-P. Tanaka should never had been in charge. He should've been the idea guy and Yoshida should've been the guy to actually code and implement the ideas.

EDIT: @Augury - Much of the current state of the economy can be attributed to the continuing reliance of oil (production peaked a couple years ago), the huge amount of $$$ spent on a pointless war, and the use of "Reagan economics"/the trickle-down effect. Bad decisions were made, and continual budget cuts to fund stupid things like the Iraq war are misplacing national funds greatly. However this forum is for discussing FFXIV so stop talking about politics unless you're going to post something about FFXIV as well (and replying to a post about FFXIV doesn't count as talking about FFXIV).

I've read most of the thread, and I'm stunned.

To the people supporting Tanaka: what exactly do you call his vision? I'm sorry but his vision is what we had on September 22nd. Sure the game was rushed but that's what he was capable of regardless. You all don't seem to remember how terrible it was then, but I do. I mean seriously, why would you praise the guy for fixing the UI when he's the one who fucked it up so bad in the first place? We had NO content. Absolutely nothing. Ok we had leves and the main storyline, but that's it really. We couldn't even grind properly, it was a nightmare. No inventory sort function, fatigue, no mailing system, no party seeking option... were those part of Tanaka's great vision? Cause everything I just mentioned WAS part of the game at release. So honestly all I feel like asking you people is: what the fuck?

The game is getting better, it's not good yet but it's on its way. All the pieces matter, people. If the game still sucks in 6 months I'll be pissed, no doubt, but what can we expect, honestly? I mean seeing devs saying it's gonna take a while to implement something like a freaking mailbox kinda tells me the ground work was fucked up. The whole thing has be fixed. And I don't know shit about making games, but that much seems pretty obvious.

Also, of course they're going to fix the battle system first, it's the centre of the game. They're not going to implement a shitton of stuff now if they have to work on it again after the overhaul is complete. What's happening right now is they are working on fixing shit that makes it impossible for them to actually develop the game, and I'm guessing that once the overhaul and the other essential problems are fixed, the ball will start rolling much faster.

Gifthorse, why the hell do you want Linkshell ships and player housing now? There would be nothing to do with it. Let's say they add it tomorrow, what are you gonna do? Build your ship and a house and fly over a world that's full of nothing? sounds awesome. Wait until there's some substance before demanding stuff that doesn't mean shit without something to back it up.

Yoshida gave us sidequests. Ok they're pretty lame, but you have to see the big picture. Some quests in FFXI sucked too, but they were part of making the world live. A year from now, when some newbie starts playing, he'll have choices. He gave us NMs, and I actually played the game for more than 2 hours for the first time in a month last week because I was camping them to get stuff for some friends and myself. Again, choice.
He also worked on the horrible targeting system. It's not great yet but at least we can work with it. He has bettered many things that were wrong with the UI. Take crafting for example, we now have a repeat button during locals. It doesn't seem like much but it's little things like this that make the game better.

What's wrong with hubs around the world? Why compare that to WoW? I don't know if you noticed but Eorzea is one fucking boring place. This will bring some life to our world if nothing else. I don't know about dungeons though, I will wait until I know more before saying anything.

That's the good side of Yoshida, but I agree with the person who mentioned that his letters are very vague. We don't know that much about the upcoming changes. We have the idea, but we don't know how it'll be set into motion.

In case it's not clear and before I'm deemed a Yoshida fanboy, I'm not thinking he's some kind of hero, I just have faith, cause what else is there? Right now he hasn't proven he can turn the game around, but I'm willing to give him some time cause he has to work with some shitty materials because of how messed up the game was when he took charge.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

I remember clearly that Tanaka said he use to play Everquest.

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That would be great if he were only competing with EQ, which he was when XI was released.