Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

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I think a lot of people would disagree with you that the story is "as entertaining as watching paint dry". I'd argue it's on par or exceeding most AAA games.

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id say more than a "lot"..then again the people here are jaded, cynical , seem not to miss an opportunity to bash the game and the devs any chance they get. Given people like Aveyond, thats a fair assessment.

God forbid people enjoy what they dont...the horror.....

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Can you elaborate on how stating that this game is story-based, is "copium"? That word become so cringe.

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It isnt, the word actually has no real meaning, as it is whats called a neologism.

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Hopium combines 'hope' and 'opium.' It is usually used to make fun of someone being irrationally optimistic.

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Copium is a fictional drug that helps someone in coping with bad news or results. A combination of the words coping and opium. In Twitch Chat it is a popular emote used when a streamer or team is facing adversity.

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In this context anyone who doesnt hate the game and the content is "on copium" along with the usual "dead game" "failing game" "dying game" memes. Stormpeaks obsession with sub numbers is meant to bolster / justify / validate their argument / stance that the game "is losing players massively as the devs are incompetent"...etc etc..Its also funny from my POV as I have seen players from the WOW forums trashing FF 14 using the same STEAM arguments / supposed statistics.

Said "statistics" are a wild guess at best, for reasons otherwise stated.

FF 14 is in fact a story driven JRPG first, an MMO second..which has been the basis for the devs own comments on the games genre.

"If you enjoy this dead game which is boring you are on copium,"..thats the general sentiment. Along with that is the 'white knight" meme, which is an epithet thrown at people who see the positives in a game or aspect...its a nice convenient way to dismiss anyone who doesnt meet their irrational dislike of the game for the simple reason it doesnt meet their tastes or requirements.

Cant comment on FF 11 btw, never played it , never intend to.

These forums arent a place to get any kind of meaningful or actual valid feedback.

Sad, but true nonetheless

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Said "statistics" are a wild guess at best, for reasons otherwise stated.

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Actually they are not a guess, they are factual, sorry to break your bubble sunshine, you can keep coping though, you are making yourself look like a fool, not me.

Oh and making a wall of text every single response and putting it in bigger letters and in bold doesnt make your point any more valid, I promise you

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Actually they are not a guess, they are factual, sorry to break your bubble sunshine, you can keep coping though, you are making yourself look like a fool, not me.

Oh and making a wall of text every single response and putting it in bigger letters and in bold doesnt make your point any more valid, I promise you

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It also doesn't make their point any less valid, I promise you.

As for your quote. I don't know who you're responding to, or when. I wasn't able to find "Said "statistics" ..." in any of the posts for the last day of posts.

Were you writing about battle stats you can find on that one web site? The ones that players who use the third-party tool that generates them are extremely aware should not be used to harrass players?

Were you writing about Steam statistics? You know, the ones that indicate a peak of 27k players for the game on any given day. Across the world. Those statistics? Were you writing about the Steam statistics for World of Warcraft, which are non-existent? Come to think of it, if there are no Steam statistics for WoW, does that mean nobody plays it? Context is everything.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

id say more than a "lot"..then again the people here are jaded, cynical , seem not to miss an opportunity to bash the game and the devs any chance they get.

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I wouldn't want to shut down valid criticism and this platform to become an echo-chamber, but there is a lot of jaded negativity going around, especially during the time between major patches.

As for FF11, it was more of an MMO first, storyline second at least I felt that back then. It was more focus on community cause you couldn't really play that game solo at all. 11 has some (w/ risk of rose tinted glasses) great storylines, some memorable for me has always been Chains of Promatia, Treasure of Aht Urghan and Wings of the Godess in my book.

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Actually they are not a guess, they are factual, sorry to break your bubble sunshine, you can keep coping though, you are making yourself look like a fool, not me.

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In all fairness, you ought to know a small minority of people playing this game is playing it through steam. Most people plays with regular PC version from Square Enix, and of course console, so basing statistics from Steam, is at best misguided and at worst dishonest and not argued in good faith.

Stating wild guess is maybe not the best way to put it but it's not the whole truth.

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Actually they are not a guess, they are factual, sorry to break your bubble sunshine, you can keep coping though, you are making yourself look like a fool, not me.

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You do NOT have the data for all users OUTSIDE of STEAM, so your so called 'data" is NOT representative of the whole.

PSN alone:

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As of April 2016, over 110 million users have been documented, with 106 million of them active monthly as of the end of March 2022.

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Your STEAM data DOES NOT include PSN, so at best you have a small percentage of player numbers..unless you can tell me how many PSN players play FF 14.

You cant. Console players dont use STEAM.

Statista

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sy-14-players/

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Despite a tumultuous launch in 2010, Final Fantasy 14 (stylized as Final Fantasy XIV) is one of the biggest massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG) worldwide. As of October 2022, the cross-platform title for PC and console claimed 27 million registered users. The games latest expansion, Endwalker, was also released that month.

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Oh and making a wall of text every single response and putting it in bigger letters and in bold doesnt make your point any more valid, I promise you

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In December 2022, the website listed the game as having just over 40 million total players.

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https://dotesports.com/mmo/news/fina...yers-worldwide

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FFXIV producer and game director Naoki Yoshida, on the other hand, recently revealed in October that the game surpassed 2 million active players at that time. Still, the player count has doubled since the release of the Stormblood expansion in 2017, when the game had around 10 million players, according to Yoshida.

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Thats as good as it gets I suppose..either way, i dont share your obsession with player numbers to validate your stance, I am on a busy, happy server with a lot of wonderful, at times exceptional people, an enjoying the game immensely ( BTW my new submarine will be the FCS Rhotano, finally settled on a name ), have loved the story throughout. You are, of course welcome to continue as you are, thats your call.

But..you will forgive me if I dont waste time and energy looking at the negatives in everything, its really unnecessary and TBH..silly. I am not certain what you do enjoy, thats up to you..at the same time I do not and will not indulge in the kind of negativity and cynicism I see here so often.

Try and find joy once in a while?? It really does you the world of good.

Oh yeah...wall of text? You cant read one small post like that?

Good Lord, compared to what I normally read, this is a brochure by comparison;);););)

Now, if you will excuse me, I have MGP to earn.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

You do NOT have the data for all users OUTSIDE of STEAM, so your so called 'data" is NOT representative of the whole.

PSN alone:



Your STEAM data DOES NOT include PSN, so at best you have a small percentage of player numbers..unless you can tell me how many PSN players play FF 14.

You cant. Console players dont use STEAM.

Statista

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sy-14-players/





Wall of text?

Good Lord, compared to what I normally read, this is a brochure by comparison;);););)

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If you are going to use the 27 million registered users, I'll use the 125 millions from WoW

Checkmate friendo

GAME DATA
Subscribers: 125,628,530
Daily Players: 2,386,942

https://mmo-population.com/r/wow

compared to FFXIV

GAME DATA
Subscribers: 42,288,232
Daily Players: 1,606,953

https://mmo-population.com/r/ffxiv

Not going to read your rambling about how steam chart numbers arent right as its just coping and I aint repeating myself

Is it really fair to compare a game that was released in 2004 vs a game that was released in 2013*?
I mean it's only logical that WoW would have more subscribers recorded.

*I assume the stats aren't including 1.0 data.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Is it really fair to compare a game that was released in 2004 vs a game that was released in 2013?
I assume the stats aren't including 1.0 data.

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Copium is strong I see, lets keep finding excuses shall we ?

"steam charts isnt right"
"the game released later !!!"
"wow is worse !!!"

I can go on and on

It's becoming more obvious to me that you're being disingenuous and can't argue in good faith and trying to belittle others cause they don't share your point of view.

But to humor your "points" to my question.

1. Steam isn't a valid source for subscribers when the game operates on Steam, PC, Mac and PS4/5.
2. Yes, almost 10 years later. It's logical that they have more subscribers recorded, are you saying that's incorrect?
3. I actually play wow too, so not sure what type of gotcha you're aiming for.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

It's becoming more obvious to me that you're being disingenuous and can't argue in good faith and trying to belittle others cause they don't share your point of view.

But to humor your "points" to my question.

1. Steam isn't a valid source for subscribers when the game operates on Steam, PC, Mac and PS4/5.
2. Yes, almost 10 years later. It's logical that they have more subscribers recorded, are you saying that's incorrect?
3. I actually play wow too, so not sure what type of gotcha you're aiming for.

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1 : Actually it is, it gives a very good trend, except if as someone said a few pages back, you can actually show evidence that people on multiple platform do entirely different activities, else it's 100% valid and can give a trend.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It is a factor because it decides if looking at steam charts is valid or not. If the people are largely the same and like/dislike for the same reasons then looking at steam numbers is valid. The cutoff point for statistics being good enough to not fall pray to statistical errors is at roughly 800 people for sample sizes. Way above that and you dont need to fear statistical errors skewing your results. What sample size wont account for is systematic error. If you want to invalidate using steam charts as sample you need to show that stormpeaks only refering to steam charts is commiting a systematic error. You would do that by showing that console and standalone players have significantly different interests/tastes.

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2 : The math you are trying to do dont check out, there is a 7 years gap between WoW and FFXIV, and a 80 millions gap to fill.
3 : Absolutely none, you just need to start using logic instead of trying everything to make the game look like its in better health than it is