Mods and cheat engine

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I feel like the bottom line with Cactbot is that if it's using packet reading to provide players with information faster then the game itself does normally (Generally via reading hidden casts from entities that don't show up on your enmity list or in your combat log or isolating which variant of an ambiguous mechanic like Optical Sight is being used before the tell actually appears), that's kind of indefensibly cheating.

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It is technically cheating but the impact of it is pretty low since all those mechanics are designed to be doable without things like cactbot, meaning if you know a fight yourself you will have enough time to adjust. What you are cheating with cactbot is learning process, not the end result.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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... No ?

Nobody gives a damn what you do with your playtime, why would you care what I do with mine ? Then again, everything others do do NOT affect your gameplay, your titles, or whatever. Just let go of it.

Half of the legend titles have been bought for years now, and every legit legend I know doesn't care. As usual, midcores are where the issue lies.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

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Hate to break it to you, but it's not just your game. Everyone pays a sub to be here and has the right to play the game how they see fit. Why should someone else getting the same achievement as you in a different way dampen the pride and good feelings you feel from yours? It shouldn't lol. What someone else does with their game really shouldn't affect you at all unless it physically disrupts your gameplay to the point you're getting kicked from the server at a constant rate from hacking/DDoSing.

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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I'm not proud of them for using that, I might even tell them they should do it the legit way... But if they don't want to enjoy the walk there, opposite to me who CAME for the walk, why would I care ? I really feel like I'm repeating myself, but that MAY be because y'all are.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

... No ?

Nobody gives a damn what you do with your playtime, why would you care what I do with mine ? Then again, everything others do do NOT affect your gameplay, your titles, or whatever. Just let go of it.

Half of the legend titles have been bought for years now, and every legit legend I know doesn't care. As usual, midcores are where the issue lies.

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Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

Ofc most stuff doesn't affect others, i get that. But where it does it is kinda shitty. Like pvp etc. and yeah even ultimates.

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Originally Posted by Koldan

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

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I don't care my experience in the game trumps others IMO

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

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Yeah, but there's only one gold medal per four year. Meanwhile there will always be legend titles to be "earned", whatever the way.

Plus, I haven't heard of any addons that does anything in pvp. I even went ouf of my way to check if the triple triad solver can be used to abuse triple triad tournaments, and it is disabled in a PvP setting. Surely you can make it work if you modify things in the code of it, but it is designed for PvE only. Regarding feast or frontline... As I said, I haven't heard of any plugin that does anything in that context. They may exist, but it's certainly not what we're discussing here.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

Plus, I haven't heard of any addons that does anything in pvp.

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Couple of seasons ago some kind of 3rd party programs became very obnoxious and wide spread in Feast. Every physical ranged player interrupted enemies melee/ranged LB's within 0,001s of cast each time. Like the animation even didn't start for them before the LB got cancelled by a player using external programs to silence it for them.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Couple of seasons ago some kind of 3rd party programs became very obnoxious and wide spread in Feast. Every physical ranged player interrupted enemies melee/ranged LB's within 0,001s of cast each time. Like the animation even didn't start for them before the LB got cancelled by a player using external programs to silence it for them.

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I didn't know about that, and yes, that's an issue. These (as in addons that make things easier for you) shouldn't exist in a PvP setting. I'm not sure how SE can fix that, though, except by banning cheaters, which is probably how it ended anyway.

My point remains for everything PvE.