On Venat's Role in the Story

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s ironic you being this up when back in ShB you were constantly dismissing Emet-Selch’s narrative for being bias.Now what, Venat can’t be biased whatsoever? Even though we literally just learned in ShB how biased memories are and had an entire instance dedicated to that? Also again, she said that DURING THE FINAL DAYS if we are to take her memory instance seriously. That means literally nothing. She had the knowledge to tell them and didn’t, that’s all that matters. Imagine if we went to the people of thavnair and said,”sorry guys, you need to learn to suffer, suck it up.” Oh i’m sure that would go down amazingly well.Also i was asking that person, not you.

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It's not even a scene which flatters her, so this zealous defence of it is amusing.

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Originally Posted by Skyborne

Seems that we agree on this then.

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No more calamities, so all aboard the Plenty express!

Ok I’m done. You guys want a thread to circle jerk in that’s fine but I’m not arguing with all of you at once. I see no reason to treat the lore forum as anything but a graveyard at this point, and I see my mistake was getting pulled into this discussion again. By all means continue to complain and pretend I’m the one whose not interested in discussion, it’s all any of you seem interested in doing anymore.

I’ll take solace in that it seems Square and the writers are capable of introducing interesting and nuanced moral dilemmas while not writing in cheap twists like so many of you clamored for after SHB. I hope you all enjoy whatever it is you enjoy doing nowadays.

Wotevs. Bye bye.

Yeah, there is no discussion to be had here. You just end up being made fun of, accused of being biased and not understanding lore, and then gaslit to believe that you are the one that's the issue who is unable to partake in a reasonable discussion.

As someone who has been posting around here for almost a decade, I'm not going to stand for what is a rather deceptive attempt at rewriting history. It's something I've commented on many times already, but this previous post of mine sums up my thoughts on the subject quite nicely:

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Originally Posted by Theodric

At the end of the day, it's just a video game. One many of us are varying degrees of passionate about, certainly, though I personally don't care for rivalries to form over something that is entirely fictional. As such, my stance has ever been to agree to disagree where common ground cannot be found. I don't care for endless arguments over morality and I'd like to think I've made it perfectly clear that if anyone has a problem with me, then they're very welcome to come and talk it out in a civil manner.

I like working out and discussing the 'how' and 'why' things happen in the way that they do in any given story or historical event, though my personal preferences drift towards characters and factions that have lofty stakes over those that have everything work out to their benefit most of the time.

One thing I noticed, however, was that some pretty spiteful and nasty accusations were aimed at anyone who ever dared to speak up in favour of the antagonists. This included death threats, homophobic comments and other unpleasant elements. Given that the offending posts were deleted, however, then such will have to be taken with a pinch of salt - though I'd like to think those who are being genuine and who have been around for a while will be aware of what I'm speaking of. Especially since some of the offending comments leaked into Reddit, Twitter and certain Discord servers.

The most fascinating thing I observed was that certain posters would repeatedly launch thinly veiled attacks and sometimes direct personal attacks at fans of the antagonists, implying all manner of horrible things about their person and real world morality. When finally those being assaulted had enough, even a minor quip in response would be treated as some deeply horrific crime and personal attack.

I will say that things have improved somewhat since then. Right around the same time that the game itself revealed that, yes, actually there was more to the Ascians and Garleans all along.

Ultimately any given individual is going to have their personal preferences and interests. I've never suggested that anyone has to like specific characters or factions. I only ask that the same courtesy is extended to others in turn.

In closing, I'd also note that the game attracts players from many different countries, cultures, backgrounds and belief systems. We all have different life experiences, so that is going to influence what we like and we don't like.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Ok I’m done. You guys want a thread to circle jerk in that’s fine but I’m not arguing with all of you at once. I see no reason to treat the lore forum as anything but a graveyard at this point, and I see my mistake was getting pulled into this discussion again. By all means continue to complain and pretend I’m the one whose not interested in discussion, it’s all any of you seem interested in doing anymore.

I’ll take solace in that it seems Square and the writers are capable of introducing interesting and nuanced moral dilemmas while not writing in cheap twists like so many of you clamored for after SHB. I hope you all enjoy whatever it is you enjoy doing nowadays.

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I mean tbf, i think the biggest twist is that not only did they obsess hard over trying to paint hydaelyn as perfect, but that in doing so made her out to be one of the most villainous characters in the game. To each their own though.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Ok I’m done. You guys want a thread to circle jerk in that’s fine but I’m not arguing with all of you at once. I see no reason to treat the lore forum as anything but a graveyard at this point, and I see my mistake was getting pulled into this discussion again. By all means continue to complain and pretend I’m the one whose not interested in discussion, it’s all any of you seem interested in doing anymore.

I’ll take solace in that it seems Square and the writers are capable of introducing interesting and nuanced moral dilemmas while not writing in cheap twists like so many of you clamored for after SHB. I hope you all enjoy whatever it is you enjoy doing nowadays.

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On the bright side, at the end of the day, the writers of FFXIV are going to keep writing the compelling and strong stories that they are, that are very popular with the majority of the people who play the game. And no amount of malding from the same dozen or so people on the lore forums is going to change that.

So compelling and strong a story that the unprecedented step to provide a 'clarification' Live Letter was taken and by their own admission we're missing an entire expansion that would have allowed for smoother pacing and better depth. You'll forgive me for not looking at raw popularity for a measure of the game's success. Especially when fast food is technically the most popular cuisine in the world but quite simply does not compare to the experience and tasting adventures that arise from fine dining.

Yeah, yeah. All of us who like the story of ffxiv are deeply unsophisticated and wouldn't know a good story if we saw it. This exact same fast food comparison was made months ago.

I'm excited for the next patch, can't wait to see what silly slice of life antics we get up to with the scions. I hope G'raha fanboys over the WoL some more.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

Yeah, yeah. All of us who like the story of ffxiv are deeply unsophisticated and wouldn't know a good story if we saw it. This exact same fast food comparison was made months ago.

I'm excited for the next patch, can't wait to see what silly slice of life antics we get up to with the scions. I hope G'raha fanboys over the WoL some more.

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Love how when you’ve lost an argument you resort to trying to get a rise out of specific people lol.