Machinist needs help.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Don’t overreact, even in SB where BRD severely outclassed MCH I was never treated this way, sure some elitist PF groups excluded jobs but this was the same PF groups that had unreasonably high Ilvv requirements and tags like “you die a lot and kicked….also it’s a learning party” and very often feed this exaggeration by the forums and more so by those stupid tier lists

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Don't think I overreacted, that would involve a fist through a television or something.

But yes, this place I try to avoid because it's overall negative and I shouldn't let it drive me away from a fun job. So I'll stick it out for the time being and hope for some potency updates next patch.

They reworked this job like 3x and it is still not functioning porperly. Not only the underwhelming DPS numbers on fflogs, but also skills that dont make any sense.
Flamethrower is not increasing any heat, why?
Wildfire is chasing us since years now, they can drop off so many other skills but that weird 2min CD skill?
This expansion ruined many jobs for me. I know its exeggeration, but neither MCH nor NIN feel in a good place.
At least gunbreaker is still there huh...

It definitely feels weird that flamethrower doesn't generate heat.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Don’t overreact, even in SB where BRD severely outclassed MCH I was never treated this way, sure some elitist PF groups excluded jobs but this was the same PF groups that had unreasonably high Ilvv requirements and tags like “you die a lot and kicked….also it’s a learning party” and very often feed this exaggeration by the forums and more so by those stupid tier lists

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You got lucky because I sure heard multiple times, and even in statics that I joined that they didn't want a mch but they let me a chance because it was a friend recommending me. Not because the job was bad (outside of 4,4) but because very few people could play it well enough. Got a few pf too that was surprised a mch joined because they didnt see one in 6 months and that's the reason they didnt lock them :'D

Hot take but if machinist is going to continue to be a selfish DPS than it needs to have competitive damage above red mage, summoner, bard, dancer, and maybe even ninja.

Otherwise they need to bite the bullet and give machinist some form of utility bard/dancer dont bring

I've been playing the class recently as a newbie, and I'm enjoying it. I do think the Automaton Queen should have some interaction with the machinist. I propose that the AQ should gain a stacking buff every time we use a certain ability. This idea comes from WoW. Specifically, the death knight in WoW had a powerful summon in Legion known as the dark arbiter, which was a winged valkyrie. Once she was summoned you had about 20 seconds to cast as many death coils as you could. Death coils required gaining a resource to use and they could also proc randomly as you did your rotation. With every death coil the arbiter would gain a stacking buff which caused her to hit harder and harder. (She attacked about once every 3 seconds.) If you were lucky, and played correctly her last hit would be devastating, and it was satisfying to see. It's just an idea, but I'd like to see it, or just let us have a beam cannon like gundam, I'd be ok with that too lol.

Machinist's Battery and Heat Gauge shouldn't be competing with eachother. You don't build Battery by using Heat, and while Chain Saw increases Battery, it also doesn't generate any heat so you get less Hyper charge phases. A summon is also the absolute worst kind of feedback for a job like Machinist. I don't want build a robot to shoot things, I want to be the one shooting things. Machinist has cannibalized any future gunner class and seeing the job shoehorning more power into the summon that's created on an off-global cooldown ability is incredibly demoralizing for people like me who want more gunner and not tinker.

Take the stupid automaton and put it on a puppeteer class. If Machinist has to build robots, then they should be drones that fire when they do like teeny ships in shoot-em-up games.

Ha I had that theory back in StB funny seeing it now but I still stand by this. Just make gunner and remove McH gun idk why it’s really there to begin with, other then they needed a gun class at the time

Machinist is in a rather unfortunate spot all around if you ask me. Not only did it lose the deep and soulful design it originally had, the flavour that was stapled onto it in its Stormblood revamp isn't even coherent anymore.

That's why you have things like a barrel stabilizer that doesn't even stabilize your gauge at 50 like its name implies - it's a just a generic gain resource cooldown. Heat and Battery resources that don't interact with each other, and are often awkwardly tied to skills that have nothing to do with heat or electricity. You have a robot that looks like it came from Overwatch instead of the consistent design the old turrets had. It's the epitome of the post-Heavensward job revamp model - gameplay depth stripped out in favour of pure spectacle, all form and no function.

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Originally Posted by Atmaweapon510

If Machinist has to build robots, then they should be drones that fire when they do like teeny ships in shoot-em-up games.

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https://i.imgur.com/lXLvDmw.png

Fun fact, the old gauss barrel was almost assuredly a reference to the attachments your ships could get in shmups like R-Type. People hated it for how difficult it was to glam around, but I for one appreciated the thoughtful reference. Just another thing machinist has lost from then.

Flamethrower could generate heat but it would remain an AFK button.

By the way, this is the 4th expansion in a row where MCH is underwhelming at the beginning of the expansion!
HW had too little damage and long cooldowns.
SB had overheat at 10% which was a DPS loss.
ShB all ranged could be replaced by a barely good BLM.
EW the just is simply underwhelming and offers no value.

I guess the curse keep on living!