Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

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Originally Posted by HadesNight

Dude this is the internet, don't attribute shit just to complain about a rant. I ranted and acknowledged it in an edit for knowing I went off topic.

Also your assumption that healers that don't dps, don't have it in their minds that double pulling makes the dungeon go faster and thus, thinks what a tank should do is inaccurate.

I'm on Aether, we get healers all the time that when I ask "small pulls or large" prefer large because they are healbots. In their minds they are like "well the tank won't die since all I'll do is heal" and it makes the dungeon take forever.

It's ok to be like "hey you're ranting" but get off your high horse, you're not a forum mod. Respond to my topic and address the points I'm making or don't respond at all.

For the decent enough tanks out there, rescuing is trash AND healers that don't dps are also annoying.

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I'm not on a high horse or modding anything, sorry if it came across like that. And if you're annoyed by healers not dpsing that's completely understandable. I always dislike that too and remind them to dps if there's nothing to heal.
This just came across like you just had another bad healer in a run and wanted to blow of some steam.

Rescue has uses in casual content. If you don't like the feeling of getting pulled somewhere, okay. But it's definitely not useless, not even in casual content.
Just because someone is the tank doesn't mean they shouldn't be corrected if they did something wroog like positioned themselves or the boss poorly or stood outside healer bubbles (just so you don't misinterpret: this is NOT directed at you specifically). Same goes for dps. Some are really good at jumping out of something last second but I've seen just as many people who are good at like people who apparently spaced out and didn't move an inch.
There's not always time to write an essay mid-fight about how someone should stand so rescue first, text later.

Besides I never condoned using rescue on tanks to pull them into more mobs and never will. This is just plain rude.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

I'm not on a high horse or modding anything, sorry if it came across like that. And if you're annoyed by healers not dpsing that's completely understandable. I always dislike that too and remind them to dps if there's nothing to heal.
This just came across like you just had another bad healer in a run and wanted to blow of some steam.

Rescue has uses in casual content. If you don't like the feeling of getting pulled somewhere, okay. But it's definitely not useless, not even in casual content.
Just because someone is the tank doesn't mean they shouldn't be corrected if they did something wroog like positioned themselves or the boss poorly or stood outside healer bubbles (just so you don't misinterpret: this is NOT directed at you specifically). Same goes for dps. Some are really good at jumping out of something last second but I've seen just as many people who are good at like people who apparently spaced out and didn't move an inch.
There's not always time to write an essay mid-fight about how someone should stand so rescue first, text later.

Besides I never condoned using rescue on tanks to pull them into more mobs and never will. This is just plain rude.

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No problem about the stuff before.

I do take umbridge with the part about being corrected. It's not your job to correct another players mistakes. It's not your job to do anything about other players, they recently made the TOS way more strict in regards to griefing and harassment because of this, and traditionally it's why SE doesn't implement anything in game that gives indication of HOW jobs should be played. Our game is a casual free for all.

As a tank, healer bubbles are not my problem. A healer should wait until the pack is positioned and THEN throw it up. That isn't to say, if it's reasonable I don't always move into it. If I see I'm a bit off of a bubble, I'll get into it. But it's not a healers right to rescue a tank into a bubble they poorly placed. The bubbles are a tool in the healers inventory, they need to correct their own technique, or after the first bubble snafu, communicate and say "hey I'll place my bubble before the pull, can you run into it?". DPS often place their aoes after the pack has been established in a spot.

If a tank runs or moves after that, then yeah that's frustrating. But healers don't have a right to rescue because their play levels are subpar and if you don't have time to text, then don't use it at all.

The consequences of getting hit in casual content are minimal. I'm interested in the rest of these "uses" it has in casual content. I'm willing to learn here if people have legitimate reasons for this in an expert, leveling or other casual brain dead content.
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editing to add a second thought, "write an essay" is hyperbolic. Communication is key for any bit of teamwork and that's what it is in the game. People should be considerate. You don't get to force your playstyle on others without their consent, so communicate it first or don't do it at all. People are equals in public content, for better or worse.

Oh also edit, I don't mean you as in you, just people with this mindset. We unfortunately don't control anything other players do. Thats what causes our pain in the first place lol.

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Originally Posted by MichiPichi

Using rescue to get the tank to pull more seems to be an issue mainly on Crystal.

I decided to level an alt on Crystal to see if the memes/rumors were true about how bad people are there and yeah it's true. I've played on Primal, Light and Aether and Crystal is the only datacenter where 90% of the tanks single pull, even if the rest of the party wants to go faster(and yes even at end game). It's awful and makes these awfully boring dungeons take even longer and is where I first thought to use rescue to drag the tank into mobs.

I don't think rescue needs to be changed based off the datacenter with the "unofficial" lowest skill playerbase.

On the other hand though, I've tanked there and have watched as the healer does nothing and then I die to one pack of mobs, so I can understand a tank single pulling..... that RP data center is just....something else.

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This is an interesting point, if it's true and not a gross exaggeration.

I've had a similar experience on Crystal, where most people don't wall to wall through most content. I also can verify tanking on Crystal that Wall to Walling is often a scary prospect, because a lot of times even on small pulls the heals take forever to start up, and when they finally do it's often just the healer panic spamming their weakest/fastest heal to not very good results.

I guess this could explain a lot of the extreme differences in opinion we see here.

It's kind of beside the point, though. Rescue pulling because you can't show the common decency to simply ask for something is ridiculous.

No fun allowed, at this point just replace every human being in duty with a bot.
Imagine being offended by someone pulling your ass to bigger pack of mobs, this snowflake community get worse everyday.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

This is an interesting point, if it's true and not a gross exaggeration.

I've had a similar experience on Crystal, where most people don't wall to wall through most content. I also can verify tanking on Crystal that Wall to Walling is often a scary prospect, because a lot of times even on small pulls the heals take forever to start up, and when they finally do it's often just the healer panic spamming their weakest/fastest heal to not very good results.

I guess this could explain a lot of the extreme differences in opinion we see here.

It's kind of beside the point, though. Rescue pulling because you can't show the common decency to simply ask for something is ridiculous.

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Remember when the worlds split apart and everyone was saying Crystal wouldnt be good for raiding. I think if it's a DC that is maybe focused on the more non battle parts of the game, it kinda makes sense in my head to see this happen. It's interesting because if single pulling is the norm there, wouldn't it just be expected at that point? But agreed with the last point there. It's just about common decency and most players don't get that this game isn't WoW. It's designed to cater to the casual user experience.

This is a summer classic. Healers and Tanks, battling it all out. I have truly lived to have witnessed such a specticle.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

This is a summer classic. Healers and Tanks, battling it all out. I have truly lived to have witnessed such a specticle.

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Lol, it would only be a battle if it was like proper argumentation and discourse.

This is like internet keyboard warriors hopping out because their are no consequences and we still haven't gotten anywhere productive.

My only solace at this point is the fact that the worlds are separated by DC and I don't have to play with such terrible human beings.

2020 highlights!

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

This is a summer classic. Healers and Tanks, battling it all out. I have truly lived to have witnessed such a specticle.

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Eh, 6/10 thread. Needs more aquatic mammals of choice.

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Originally Posted by HadesNight

Remember when the worlds split apart and everyone was saying Crystal wouldnt be good for raiding. I think if it's a DC that is maybe focused on the more non battle parts of the game, it kinda makes sense in my head to see this happen. It's interesting because if single pulling is the norm there, wouldn't it just be expected at that point? But agreed with the last point there. It's just about common decency and most players don't get that this game isn't WoW. It's designed to cater to the casual user experience.

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There's a point around endgame where you start to see Wall to Wall pulls more frequently, but it's hardly some community rule or standard that everyone understands and follows. If healers ask for big pulls it's safe to assume they can handle it, but just defaulting to wall to wall pulls every time is often going to be suicide. It's a dumb expectation.

I've played WoW and even that community doesn't seem quite as anti-social as this one. Players there can actually be convinced to talk to each other if they'd prefer things done a specific way.

I'm down for otters. I saw another thread devolve and get hijacked into otter mania. 10/10 worth.