Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

This is to you OP I agree that better systems need to be in place, and it'll be awesome if you could get EVERYTHING ingame. Rotations, all your housing info, melds guides.. the works ingame. That'll be awesome, but that's sadly not the world we live in. The reason people keep bringing up the fact that you didn't care in their eyes is because like I mentioned. Nearly EVERYONE coming to an mmo goes out the game for guides, classes, and houses and other information. I mean hell, Mr happy talked about housing a bunch of times over the years. People are pretty much like " HOW???!!" Cause in the world we live in NOW? It's amazing you missed the information. It's not hidden or anything so thats why people keep bringing it up with their tones. I'm just saying while I DO agree with you oin the info thing, I can't disaggree with everyone else asking you how in the world did you miss this info in the first place.

That and putting your game time in the title does nothing but not help your case. Think of it this way. Lets say I make a post on sonicstadium about how I been a sonic fan since 1991 right? - which I am- But I THEN go and make the statement that I didn't know Sonic is made by Sega. Thats a crazy statement and EVERYONE on said site hell the WORLD would question how I could've been a fan from the beginning yet missed that one fact. That's what putting your time up there has done. It just doesn't help your case is all I'm saying. :c

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Originally Posted by ko_

He wouldn't have lost anything if he took it upon himself to say " I don't know alot about this... let me ask someone or ask google." That is my only point. Yes SE needs better things but they can't fix lazy. Look at the dutyfinder thread for proof of that.

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We are not even just talking about the OP...we are also talking about people that might not simply be able to play for a time be it because of sickness or other real life reasons. So those wont just only lose their ingame house but depending on how long they cant play every single housing item..how is that fine? No amount of reading something up will change this because RL can have a horrible way to destroy any plans to save them. And as the OP has stated again and again that it was those items that made him quit.

Also you are looking at this from the view of knowning that such a system exist. Why should someone even look it up if they dont? Taking away your house is not something a lot of MMOs do and since they got no single information when they bought the house itself, why should someone believe that there is more behind it than simply buying it and keeping it? What is so bad about having a little tutorial that will pop up when you place the house on the ground and that will tell you the deal?

There is so much handholding in this game, so many tutorials for even small things. Yet none for that. But somehow its bad that people want to make the system better.

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Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe

No, what I don't get is how some content that OP ignored for more then 80 days made him quit. Clearly this was not a part of the game that the OP cared about, if OP did then this would not happened. If it was the straw that broke the camels back I would understand it, but as the sole reason? No way.

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Maybe losing stuff that you cant get anywhere else ingame and that you gathered for years might be a breaking point for quite some people. You say that he did not care for 80 days but what are 80 days if you play this game for years? He also stated that he had only minimal amount of time and was planning to use it more as soon as he got more time.

I mean so if you once won a limited mount in PVP but you dont PVP anymore or just take a break from it for a time, would it be fine if they take that mount away again?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

We are not even just talking about the OP...we are also talking about people that might not simply be able to play for a time be it because of sickness or other real life reasons. So those wont just only lose their ingame house but depending on how long they cant play every single housing item..how is that fine? No amount of reading something up will change this because RL can have a horrible way to destroy any plans to save them. And as the OP has stated again and again that it was those items that made him quit.

Also you are looking at this from the view of knowning that such a system exist. Why should someone even look it up if they dont? Taking away your house is not something a lot of MMOs do and since they got no single information when they bought the house itself, why should someone believe that there is more behind it than simply buying it and keeping it? What is so bad about having a little tutorial that will pop up when you place the house on the ground and that will tell you the deal?

There is so much handholding in this game, so many tutorials for even small things. Yet none for that. But somehow its bad that people want to make the system better.

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I got no opinion on that cause if RL hit you that hard then nothing is going to save your stuff with the timers that are in place. You're pretty much sol. And that is excatly WHY you would want to look this stuff up. - FFXIV housingg vs WILDSTAR or -insert other mmos here- on google is your best bet. Don't expect the game to tell you everything since it doesn't. Otherwise noone would make guides or walkthurs or rotation videos. People do this for all games pretty much. Why is it such a crime to do what you would do for any other game ever and use google? Also my reply above yours addresses why people are stuck on the google issue.

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Originally Posted by ko_

I got no opinion on that cause if RL hit you that hard then nothing is going to save your stuff with the timers that are in place. You're pretty much sol. And that is excatly WHY you would want to look this stuff up. - FFXIV housingg vs WILDSTAR or -insert other mmos here- on google is your best bet. Don't expect the game to tell you everything since it doesn't. Otherwise noone would make guides or walkthurs or rotation videos. People do this for all games pretty much. Why is it such a crime to do what you would do for any other game ever and use google? Also my reply above yours addresses why people are stuck on the google issue.

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Then why not hope and post about it and let SE create a better system where they will just store these things forever? Instead of just saying that this is how its now and people should just be fine with it. Its not fine. People are able to lose things that they have paid rl money for it. For something that could be solved by SE themselves. Even if someone does read it up and understands it, RL can always throw a curve in the plans and you can own a house for years ingame and suddenly its happening. No amount of reading will help you with that. And no never getting a house for the chance of it happening is not the solution for this.

Its quite simple: SE can change both things. They could give us more direct informations ingame and they could store all of those items on a NPC forever and the price for storing is the loss of all Gil. This way everyone gets the message that there is a timer and they still wont lose their things. Easy solution. No need for guides, for the fear of rl coming your way and more.

If someone needs a guide to understand normal game systems like housing or even glamour then there is something really wrong with a game because that should be explained. Just like you have a big amount of tutorials how to move your character and other stuff. Its just basic things that should be explained. Guides should only truly exist for the players that want to play on a high level because they will see the optimal way to play. But even without a guide you could still play fine. (People can understand their job by reading their own skills) You also dont need a guide to clear a fight. Its just there to make it easier to clear but its not necessary because people can learn. (Honestly I find nothing worse than someone going around and saying that someone should have already read a guide for a train party on something new..) In the end you always need the most important basics of each gameplay section in the game. People dont need to read a guide from someone that only found out how the job works by pushing numbers. You can also understand it, by reading through your skills, seeing the numbers and taking clues for this. A guide is only needed when you dont understand that or want to be on a high level.

Better example: The information about the timer right now is like a lvl 15 player that gets told by some NPCs that they meet, that they need to remember to use x Skill when they are max level to make the basic of a job work. You could find this information somewhere near the job npc again if you talk to another one but only then. Otherwise there is no ingame indication when you reach that level that there is something you need to do.

Maybe this sounds strange but in a way this is exactly like housing works right now. And SE could easily change it. Yet somehow some people are against such a change even though it wont hurt them in any way..if you already know the information you will simply click the pop up away, if you dont have a house you wont get the information and for the rest its great. Honestly I am just baffled how people are against something that is only a win and that does not mean that they lose other content for that either.

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Originally Posted by ko_

I got no opinion on that cause if RL hit you that hard then nothing is going to save your stuff with the timers that are in place. You're pretty much sol. And that is excatly WHY you would want to look this stuff up. - FFXIV housingg vs WILDSTAR or -insert other mmos here- on google is your best bet. Don't expect the game to tell you everything since it doesn't. Otherwise noone would make guides or walkthurs or rotation videos. People do this for all games pretty much. Why is it such a crime to do what you would do for any other game ever and use google? Also my reply above yours addresses why people are stuck on the google issue.

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A player should not have to go outside the game to lookup how basic functions work and most won't. The game has to be the one telling the player the rules and it has to do this at the appropriate place/time. Informing players about the demolition timer and the need to enter their house to reset it should be done when a player purchases a house. If the player forgets or ignores the warning shame on them but in its current state it is shame on SE.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

A player should not have to go outside the game to lookup how basic functions work and most won't. The game has to be the one telling the player the rules and it has to do this at the appropriate place/time. Informing players about the demolition timer and the need to enter their house to reset it should be done when a player purchases a house. If the player forgets or ignores the warning shame on them but in its current state it is shame on SE.

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SE sent an email and put a timer on the cooldowns list. That's more than enough, and anything they add on top of that is still going to get another layer of "why didn't they tell me when..." added on. If people are playing so little their house blows up, it doesn't matter what messaging square puts in the game, it'll get missed.

If anything, square needs to reduce the grace period so people start treating housing as what it is: transitory.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

SE sent an email and put a timer on the cooldowns list. That's more than enough, and anything they add on top of that is still going to get another layer of "why didn't they tell me when..." added on. If people are playing so little their house blows up, it doesn't matter what messaging square puts in the game, it'll get missed.

If anything, square needs to reduce the grace period so people start treating housing as what it is: transitory.

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I agree with you 1000% but the OP did mention they didn't get any emails. That is a little odd to me but hey shit happens. Still doesn't excuse the OP for not knowing about the demo timers - yes I know it's not about the demo.. BUT had he known again... none of this would've happened- So yes I agree with you perfectly... I just want to add the system does fail from time to time so a little more checks fro mSE would be nice. But none of that will help stupid and lazy so again. SE can only go so far.. in this case it's still on OP for losing everything cause they didn't have the foresight to look this stuff up.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

SE sent an email and put a timer on the cooldowns list. That's more than enough, and anything they add on top of that is still going to get another layer of "why didn't they tell me when..." added on. If people are playing so little their house blows up, it doesn't matter what messaging square puts in the game, it'll get missed.

If anything, square needs to reduce the grace period so people start treating housing as what it is: transitory.

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Didn’t you say earlier that it wasn’t your problem? Why are you so against having an additional warning or further in-game explanations?

The timer doesn’t even appear until your house has 15 days away from being demolished. At the very least it should be there at all times.

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

Didn’t you say earlier that it wasn’t your problem? Why are you so against having an additional warning or further in-game explanations?

The timer doesn’t even appear until your house has 15 days away from being demolished. At the very least it should be there at all times.

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I rarely have seen comments say "the way the demolition mechanic is explained in the game is fine". They keep saying "personal responsibility" or "you should always google everything". They keep saying players need to assume SE's in-game help messages are unhelpful. That in order to get by we need to be paranoid that SE left out something very important. It is truly baffling that anyone regards this as acceptable.

And it's funny to see "but the timer is in the timers window" because it's obvious they don't know how the whole mechanic works either. The demolition timer is invisible for the majority of its duration. What good is an invisible ui element to anyone? How can anyone argue this is a helpful hint to the presence of demolition? I encountered loads of people who thought they were looking for the timer in the wrong place because of this.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

And it's funny to see "but the timer is in the timers window" because it's obvious they don't know how the whole mechanic works either. The demolition timer is invisible for the majority of its duration. What good is an invisible ui element to anyone? How can anyone argue this is a helpful hint to the presence of demolition? I encountered loads of people who thought they were looking for the timer in the wrong place because of this.

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I have a house, and while I knew about the demo timer in general, I didn't realize there was a place to check in-game for it. So this morning I thought I'd check it out once I was done patching, and this is all I see:
https://i.imgur.com/BPHb88Q.png

This isn't exactly helpful. Up until Raskbuck's post above, I didn't realize it would remain blank until 15 days or less until demo. This would probably be a fantastic spot to put some quick information regarding the demolition / item reclamation time frame, as well as maybe an active timer or some other notice.