Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

This person wants us to believe there will be no abuse, sure others may do what you said but:

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You are putting words in Kaldea's mouth. Nowhere in her post did she claim abuse wouldn't happen far as I can tell. She only mentioned wanting to play with people of a comparable skill level. Depending on the content, I share that sentiment. When farming Shinryu, I'm not one to stick around long if I notice I'm woefully out-dpsing the party. Why? I can find another group and kill it faster. Considering I'll need at least 99 attempts unless I get lucky (I did, thank god), I prefer fast and efficient. My stance changes in say, a learning party, where I'll be infinitely more patient.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

also comming from someone that is selective who they play with. This person is not willing to admit it would bring more problems then help in the current state of the game, as shown by this quote as well:

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This already happens. Have you ever been in a party that absurdly disbands after a few wipes? Odds are high the party leader had ACT running and didn't like what they saw. As noted above, I have ducked out of parties purely because the DPS was too low. Keep in mind, I am far from a top tier 99% player nor do I have such expectations from my peers going into pugs. Would I kick someone for low DPS? Maybe. If it were enough of a hindrance. The only difference now is I simply say nothing in regards to why I may kick. I haven't yet but the sheer amount of DPS who want AoE has made me increasingly tempted.

Frankly, Yoshida's stance borders on a self-fulfill prophecy. Player improvement won't come without some form of a parser since people need to see what it is they may be doing wrong to even realize it's an issue.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Frankly, Yoshida's stance borders on a self-fulfill prophecy.

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You are right, so maybe the question we should be asking is how can we as a community change his stance, instead of asking for an official set of tools off the bat.

I will be honest I have no idea what we can as community can do to change his stance. I do feel he is taking this too far, and I have dealt with parse abuse drama between a few my FC members and other groups. Though I simply do not see anyway of changing his mind. Maybe it is time we as a community spent our time trying to solve his perception issue either by action or by wallet. I do not know.

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Originally Posted by Awha

You are right, so maybe the question we should be asking is how can we as a community change his stance, instead of asking for an official set of tools off the bat.

I will be honest I have no idea what we can as community can do to change his stance. I do feel he is taking this too far, and I have dealt with parse abuse drama between a few my FC members and other groups. Though I simply do not see anyway of changing his mind. Maybe it is time we as a community spent our time trying to solve his perception issue either by action or by wallet. I do not know.

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Shorten the skill gap. Judging by SE's failed attempts at it, I'd say the problem isn't the game.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

Shorten the skill gap. Judging by SE's failed attempts at it, I'd say the problem isn't the game.

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I guess the counter argument would be to accept the skill gap and focus more content for the average player?

I'm sure their enough people to start a static find out your times schedules and start one please discuss this all you want until its address. At this point not even sure what people really expecting to happen or what the <random player> definition of a good player is at this point which seems all over the place with all the different types of player we have.

This is why I like rolling with people I know for harder content whenever possible bc random players brings random expectations of what good or not maybe discuss this as well. /Shrugs

Why hasn't the pro parse community started small? Like asking for it in only the highest tier of content and only in groups made on server. It is clear the stance is based on a percentage of community players. While I have only once seen a parse melt down in a bad ifrit in 2.0 where it seemed like everyone was literally standing still except the boss. You see enough of the "OMG this took 5 more mins then it should have." A small start proving that everyone can play nice and self police the bad apples.

One other thing that pro parse people don't seem to mention. Is how well do you think this game is truly balanced? Do you feel that this content is 100% balanced for 100% of the jobs? With an in game parse you would literally be able to pick apart every bad design. Right now they just pretend 3rd party info deson't exist. Which allows them a lot more wiggle room. Any live letter questions that seem to be asked from a parsed perspective gets a very weak answer to no answer in the past. Or the get good or the gear or players just don't know how to play warrior.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Why hasn't the pro parse community started small? Like asking for it in only the highest tier of content and only in groups made on server.

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Agreed, and to be fair, we have in some respects.

I made a fairly big post over 2 years ago suggesting a DPS mini game of sorts to be added into the Gold Saucer, this detailed methods by which players could be scored and ranked in a way that was entirely gear agnostic and self maintaining to boot. Adding it in as a saucer mini game was the hook to get people interested in it that otherwise would likely pay it no heed. Needless to say, I was a little disappointed when we got SSS some months later which in my eyes at least, was a complete let down by comparison.

Another example is the very substantial self only parser thread from a few weeks back that in some respects likely helped to inspire this survey.

There's plenty more examples on this board over time.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I guess the counter argument would be to accept the skill gap and focus more content for the average player?

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Define "average player". When the spread is so wide the term doesn't have a lot of meaning.

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Originally Posted by Deithwen

And yet a parser is necessary to play your job at it's maximum potential.

It becomes a necessity to know the other's DPS when you're doing high level content. Imagine the following situation : you set up a static and progress on the last available raid. Thing is your group reaches enrage every time without clearing it. No mistakes are made, no death. In this case it's DPS problem : one member is probably lower than he should be. How do you know which person needs to put more work on his gameplay without a parser ?

Also, your statement about stats, thing is we have to use a parser to understand the substats effects. It is not possible without it.

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Back in my days of silkroad and cabal online the hardest content was reserved for the best groups and guilds, not randoms.

There are good and bad sides of the parser, of which one is impacting the gameplay and community and the other helps your to do as best as it is possible.
I could understand people playing this game for so many years, that all they have left to do in this game is to maximize the performance of each class, but the people who does that really need to ask themself a question, wouldnt it be better if they will play other games instead and get involved into them as much as they do in FF XIV and coming back after new patches? Because any game has just finite amount of playtime it could offer and mmorpg's are not different.
Instead of trying hard and losing nerves, try to play something else, so eventually game developer will make certain activity easier in order to make people playing it and winning it.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

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How do I put this?

If we were to gather a hub of a players, set about 10. 2 of them are regularly bad apples but 8 of them are good people.

According to your statement, which you have cited as an absolute time and time again, the use of a parser would have one of those 8 good people turn bad without fail.

This is how we understand your use of "more harassment" and also why it doesn't make sense to us. Since those two bad people are already bad to begin with, you can't have any "more harassment" than those two already produce. So that only leaves the argument that only way it harassment can increase in a quantifiable way is that one of the 8 good people go bad.

Do you now see why people like me and Kaldea and many others can't grasp that? Because you've stated that this exact situation will absolutely happen. It's already crazy to think that people's good behaviour in this game's current policy will absolutely change for the worst if SE decided to give the green light to full blown parse tommorow.

TL;DR: you can't quantifiably have more harassment out of a set of people who are already parsing if it already exist. Stating that it absolutely will increase implies people's current behaviour when parsing is tied directly to the tool.

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Just install world of warcraft and see how it looks like there.
Its not a pleasant expierence, hence why there is no fresh blood coming to the game, like at all.
It doesnt help judging dps is bannable offence, it is also in WoW to harass others by their dps.
He doesnt need to proof anything, the proof is sitting right there ready for someone who played only FFXIV to find out.

This post on reddit says it all
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...arser/ddyuuck/

There is a literal elephant in the room everyone pro parsing just trying to hide behind the couch, lol.
And that doesnt help, when the dying body is lying on that couch (WoW).
The discussion is about the official in game parser, not about taking them away from the community, this will for sure affect the average player gameplay forcing him to pay more attention to the numbers than the game itself, it will lead him to judge other players performance comparing to his own.
The official one will not help, but just make this game a toxic swamp as the world of warcraft is today.

In Pugs, or random groups, they should not be allowed. People play content for different reason then you. I see no valid reason why you should have the right to point a finger a judge someones DPS. Now I think in a 100% guild group with no PUGS. Then a parser is fine. You get what you signed up for. Any group where you group with a stranger it should not be allowed.