Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

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Originally Posted by Parawill

If a healer decides to DPS in their downtime, while keeping the group alive, a legitimate reason to vote kick someone? Asking, since word on the streets says that we're allowed to vote kick people for differentiating playstyles.

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IMO, absolutely not - if healers are given DPS skills and cleric stance specifically for the purpose of increasing their damage you should only be kicked if you're letting people die (like repeatedly letting people die, mistakes are made) in favor of DPSing

I'm all for healers dpsing while in dungeons^^
Dpsing at the detriment of healing tho, no, that's a crappy healer. And this whole "healers should dps" thing that's going around now, is making many new healers feel they have to dps as much as possible, which leads to them not keeping up with the healing, causing deaths that costs alot more time than what is gained from the healers dps. Healers should only dps when they feel comfortable doing so, not when they feel forced to because people think they "should".

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Originally Posted by Yonanja

Healers should only dps when they feel comfortable doing so, not when they feel forced to because people think they "should".

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This explains why over half the healers you see in Expert Roulette don't DPS while they're overgeared anyhow. You're going to get lazy/unconfident healers if they're never pushed to work harder and work on the confidence. It's not a foreign concept to have basic expectations out of people. Apathy breeds apathy.

Just before taking a bit of a break from the game I tried healer and tank for the first time after being a bard pretty much from launch(2.0). I levelled a few jobs for cross class and stuff, but I was bard all the way.

So from that angle I never really expected a healer to dps. Once I got to raiding with my fc, yeah for the most part healers had to dps so we could meet the dps checks. but for dungeons and the like it was never something that I worried about. And the same went for tanks. So same as a lot of people I welcome dps from both the healers and tanks and I personally would never kick someone for it! Give a hug and a comm damned straight! but as long as they are performing there primary role its all good.

Now after healing and tanking my perspective changed a little, and to be honest I can't see myself not dpsing with either of these roles. I'll admit I made a few mistakes while I was learning and got parties killed a good couple of times as a healer trying to dps. (remember to re-target the tank while you're trying to heal! >.<) but outside of endgame content these jobs are a complete snooze fest! If I wasn't trying to dps I would be bored. I mean seriously if I'd chosen sch instead of whm I'd have been able to spend a lot of my levelling dungeons in follow letting my fairy do all the heavy lifting.

So yeah as things stand now I definatly wouldn't kick you for dpsing. If you didn't you wouldn't get a comm from me though, unless things went seriously south and you pulled the party out of the fire.

Never kick a healer for DPSing, they are simply going above the call for what their role normally demands (keeping everyone up) now if that healer is letting players hit the floor and are flat out not fulfilling their primary role, then by all means, kick the dead-weight.

I dps most of the time as a healer, mostly because in the majority of content, players won't take enough damage that will require my full attention, hell, as a SCH the fairy does my job for me in the vast majority of cases bar slipping out of cleric to chuck an adlo or a succor. Hell, if the previous set of EX dungeons, if the tank handled their CD's properly, I could DPS near full time.

Most of the time no one is taking damage, so what else should I do? Just stand there and wait for damage to happen? Might as well /sit and wait for everyone else to do their jobs.

As for should healers DPS, yes, they should at least try to do it, you have a slew of good DPS skills (hell, a lot of em were introduced in Heavensward) surely you would wanna use em? If no one dies and all you do is keep people up, you are an alright healer, if you keep everyone up and assist with the damage, you are an even better one. You have a large toolkit, strive to use all of it to its fullest potential.

it could be anything really, unless you were yelled at, causing numerous wipes on trash pulls etc, its a given that the majority of the community will rather than kick a dpsing healer, probably com or give cheers, unless theyre trying to get a healer buddy in or something petty as what probably really happened to you. TBH in voip with a friend of mine we were dual summoners in an ex roullette and we had a whm using holy on trash pulls, he jokingly was yelling at the whm(random df person, not in our voice chat) damnit whm stop using holy we got the dps! but we never kicked them, the only reason i would accept the kick is if youre letting the tank die and having to res 2 or 3 people every trash pull. Even thats excusable if the tank is going for XXXL pulls

Ah, the general forums, where not dpsing as healer is wasting people's time, but it's fine to kick people if they explain mechanics on a fight, if 1 person in the party wants to go in blind, and waste people's time with wipes.
(That being said, I do try to dps as healer)

i main a drk. as long as i dont die i dont care what the healer does

my 2 cents on the healer should DPS argument.
If a healer only wants to heal they should let the party know to do bigger pulls so they dont have as much downtime.

People that say that healers should be kicked if they DPS too much and cause a wipe, you aren't helping at all for the cause. Mistakes happen, and sometimes you miscalculate. Nobody complains when you do a mistake with your DPS rotation so don't complain when a healer fucks up because of mistakes. How are they going to learn if they don't experience mistakes. (As you can see my english level is great /s)