[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

By my logic house flippers shouldn't be banned. By your logic, crafters should be banned. Like I said before:

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Well no one has been banned for flipping houses I've only seen people get warnings, get a warning on your account and being banned are two differently things.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Well no one has been banned for flipping houses I've only seen people get warnings, get a warning on your account and being banned are two differently things.

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people may not have been yet but the threat is there (if you choose to believe the screenshots), that is even too much. If one action of selling in game services for in game currency is deemed to receive a warning, then ALL legitimate actions that people charge for should be. That means run-selling, over pricing crafting items/mats, house-flipping, FC-selling, everything.

Here is our usual NA official statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzN3yJXlWrg

classy yup... :mad:

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Originally Posted by Lexia

I don't personally buy runs and I do think it a lazy way of playing the game but the gil they giving the person is getting them something, they not paying a person and then having to then again pay the system to enter the fight. Buying up houses just to resell them for 10x the value is a a$$ move being that you have to buy the land on top of paying what ever outrageous price the scalper wants. There a difference between selling a house cause you don't want it anymore or just buying empty plots to resell cause they want to take advantage of a broken system. Oh and by your logic pretty much all crafters would have to be banned also then cause people pay them in game currency to do something for them instead of them crafting it themselves.

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My economics professor would beg to differ with you. An outrageous price is a price so high that no one will pay it. It's totally rational to charge the highest price you can that people will pay. And the reason people will pay a certain price is because paying it increases their well-being. So both people win. You're misguided if you think it is morally wrong. It is just markets doing what they do.

If a house flipper didn't buy the plot, the plot would still sell very fast to someone else. The game would subtract the same amount of currency from circulation and every single person who was going to buy a house except two would be in exactly the same situation of not being able to get a house. The only two people whose situation would be changed is the person who would've flipped the house (they're now worse off) and the person who bought the house (who is better off). If the person who bought the house is different than the person who would've bought it from the house flipper (which is reasonable since they didn't get to the plot before the house flipper) then they are also worse off (because they would've had a house before albeit at an inflated price and now they don't). So you either have one person better off and one person worse off (a wash) or you have one person better off and two people worse off (which is a decrease in overall well-being from the house flipping scenario). Either way you look at it, there is nothing saying that house flipping diminishes overall happiness. If anything, it increases it.

The way third parties should handle unfair market situations is not to shut down the market or cap prices, but to allow the cheated parties to enter the market (by helping them financially or making goods available to them). In other words, the housing situation is and always has been an SE problem to fix and ONLY an SE problem (and the only way to fix it properly is simply to introduce more housing). Quit blaming other players. You can't take advantage of someone who knows the value of what they're buying and willingly decides to buy it.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

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Couldn't have said it better!

bump cause this thread holds people who defend the fact yes buy a plot and sell it forgeting the major part they cant are innocent and are no worse than crafters.

sorry defenders but when you sell a house for say double they still have to pay say tripple cause there is no system to sell a house so anyone who does is an exsploiter.

Those evil crafters thinking that their time and effort is worth gil. Don't get me started on the gatherers that list their wares for more than a NPC shop would pay for them.

I remember that time I paid $20 to buy the last ticket to concert that I never planned to attend in that hypothetical situation that didn't happen. It was just the last ticket and I knew others would want it, so I just haadddd to have it. Then I resold the ticket to that one guy who wanted to go for $200. Is it illegal? In many places yes it is, with the exception of selling a ticket for less than what you paid for it. Almost everywhere it is looked down on, by both the state and the event administrators.

As a house flipper, you are using your money to directly harm another player's experience. House flipping is not a positive impact investment, like buying stocks and later reselling them, effectively loaning a company to expand. You take what you don't care about and hold it hostage over players who truly do desire a house as an end game goal.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

The way third parties should handle unfair market situations is not to shut down the market or cap prices, but to allow the cheated parties to enter the market (by helping them financially or making goods available to them). In other words, the housing situation is and always has been an SE problem to fix and ONLY an SE problem (and the only way to fix it properly is simply to introduce more housing). Quit blaming other players. You can't take advantage of someone who knows the value of what they're buying and willingly decides to buy it.

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This is do 100% agree with. Although it is somewhat Communistic/Totalitarian of SE to handle what should be a simple market, it is completely necessary, since the community can't resist exploitation when they smell it.

I Like how up until recently no one had a problem with people selling houses. Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the chance of getting a house but unfortunately not getting one?

Also serious question. If its against the rules to sell a house in PF shouldn't the people who are advertising they are buying a house in PF be given warnings as well? It is straight up trying to get others to break a "rule"

Edit: Also I love how yet another thread is drifting towards the crafters = Satan.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I Like how up until recently no one had a problem with people selling houses. Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the chance of getting a house but unfortunately not getting one?

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There were a fair number of threads from folk in high pop servers complaining about it, but you're right that the indignation and fury had not gotten to the level we see here.

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Edit: Also I love how yet another thread is drifting towards the crafters = Satan.

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Yeah, I leveled all of them so I wouldn't have to deal with the terrible market board prices on most things, not so I could gouge my fellow players. That said, if people are willing to pay 20k for a HQ level 35 chest piece, I'm not arguing.