The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

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Originally Posted by Averax

Summon is actually a synonym of Invoke

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Still feel it's better to split the two apart. Egi's you physically summon (even though that's just "invoking" a physical essence of the Primal). Bahamut you're just channelling, though it's easier to say you invoke his powers.
I dunno. Summoner should just be renamed to Evoker, as the only true Summoners in this game are the Beastmen (and even they can't "control" their Primal) .-.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

i personally love that we are getting a summon nuke (it pops out does it's attack and leaves) cause it's how i wanted summoner to be. (course i am fine with summons also being pets)

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This isn't what we are getting though....

We summon Bahamut's essence and it stays with us in the form of Bahamut Aether stacks that we then spend on actions.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

it's summoning.

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But that is NOT the description of what a Summoner is in this game.
You summon a tiny essence of the Primal to fight alongside you.

Not here's a head! RAWR, okay I got some of his powers, he left 2 seconds ago.
Summoners still need help or it needs to be reworked into this Evoker thingy.
Just going to see what they wanna do with pet's here later on.

Read the Summoner description in Final Fantasy XIV. Summoner's harness the energy of the primals and shape them into biddable avatars which are the Egis. Channeling the power of Bahamut using the Dreadwyrm trance is exactly what Summoners do.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

But that is NOT the description of what a Summoner is in this game.
You summon a tiny essence of the Primal to fight alongside you.

Not here's a head! RAWR, okay I got some of his powers, he left 2 seconds ago.
Summoners still need help or it needs to be reworked into this Evoker thingy.
Just going to see what they wanna do with pet's here later on.

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Let's go ahead and take away the coolest ability that summoners are ever going to get and give it to a job that don't exist because it doesn't involve summoning. Let's just go ahead and remove all abilities that are not summon 1, summon 2, summon 3, rouse, spur, and enkindle.

You other summoners need to calm down a tick and realize that our job duller than dishwater, and Sqare is trying to fix that.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

yes we do. i even gave the link showing us summon bahamut.

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I'm really not sure what to take from this. The head is on screen for less than a couple of seconds and it took me several replays to figure out that it was even supposed to be a head. I certainly wouldn't have made the connection to Bahamut just by looking at it, because it resembles Bahamut in the same way that my three year old's stick picture resembles a person.

I get what you're saying, and that's fine. Yes, having summons vanish after they've done their deed is very much the 'norm' for summoners of old and it's fine that they'd want to add it here in FFXIV as well. However, what it feels like is an afterthought. This isn't some well-fleshed out system where we can summon multiple avatars for their super skills, it's just one skill. An exception to the general rule.

For that reason alone, it doesn't really give the impression of a summon as much as I consider it just another spell or ability. They even call the ability Dreadwyrm, so it's not as if they've given themselves much wiggle-room to add new variants down the road. It's a shame, because a system like this could have been a great entryway to add some truly powerful skills which give the summoner some variation.

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Originally Posted by Averax

You other summoners need to calm down a tick and realize that our job duller than dishwater, and Sqare is trying to fix that.

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They can start by putting in some effort rather than using in the first 'cool' idea thrown around the office. One look at the forums could have told them where the areas for improvement are, none of which (aside from the minor issue of glamors) are addressed with this update.

Treat the Dreadwyrm Stance the same way Lady Iceheart became Shiva. We can even go far as saying that she attained the form of Shiva (which was really just a change of clothes) because she was already an Elezen. As Bahamut is a city sized dragon and we're not of the same race, we can only go so far as to call upon his essence. Changing forms would destroy our bodies.

(Lady Iceheart was in Frost Stance is what I'm basically saying)

It would be interesting if that becomes a trend for summoner, have a pet but then become a stance dance master
Bahamut stance
Shiva stance
Ifrit Stance
Titan stance
ect ect

That would most certainly not get boring @.@ can i have it?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Treat the Dreadwyrm Stance the same way Lady Iceheart became Shiva. We can even go far as saying that she attained the form of Shiva (which was really just a change of clothes) because she was already an Elezen. As Bahamut is a city sized dragon and we're not of the same race, we can only go so far as to call upon his essence. Changing forms would destroy our bodies.

(Lady Iceheart was in Frost Stance is what I'm basically saying)

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Do we magically turn into the dreadwyrm himself and blast foes with almighty rage? No. Do we summon a primal beast from the aether and smite our foes with the full force of Megaflare? No.

I wish people would stop with these silly comparisons. Lady Iceheart didn't just summon shiva's skull and spit out a few ice crystals. She BECAME Shiva, body and soul. All her abilities were transformed to the power of ice and snow. She threw down ice shards, summoned ice golems, turned everyone into popsicles with Diamond Dust. She, for all intents and purposes, actually WAS Shiva.

Had we gotten anything as remotely cool as that (see what I did there?) I doubt anyone would be complaining.

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

It would be interesting if that becomes a trend for summoner, have a pet but then become a stance dance master

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It's a nice thought, but the only issue I have with it is that you would have to have a lot of different stacks for different primals if they went this route. That's a whole host of skills to try and shoe-horn into your rotation, and you know you wouldn't be considered 'optimal' unless you were throwing Shiva in alongside your Ifrits and Ramuhs.