Dear SE, Yoshi, etc, remove Coil lock outs. Right now.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

It does sound like the "best" compromise on paper (I thought so too), until you realize it can be abused where a pre-made group of 7 takes one person through the Turns and that 1 person has a field day rolling on everything because no one else can.

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True, if you run it again but can't roll, loot will hoard to the one player that isn't locked. You know what might fix that? I've said it three times in this thread and I'll keep repeating it. Lockout the class not the character. That way those 7 players will run it again for themselves because they can still loot.

Loot progression would still take the same amount of time as it takes now because you can only roll with one class once a week but you get to play again, and roll again, and best of all you get to experience it with other classes now. Most get forced to run it only as one class because that is the one they have equipped with some coil loot but playing as only one class gets extremely boring.

A train ing version would be a nice solution also.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

I'm not advocating for removing difficulty. Just don't require a player to only be able to run on a specific, pre-determined time based on the last time they played the content. How does this at all affect hard core raiding?

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Don't feed the troll, or better the kid? When he is out of school and will have to work for his money or maybe work for his family too, then the point will be there he will understand what we are talking about. Actually he doesn't understand the point of this thread and don't recognize that he is looking from the wrong view.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Honestly? That's the attitude of selfish players and an FC/LS with no view for the long term.

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Not to be rude to you - been reading what you've posted on forums and I think you are a decent chap. But that sentence is a little bit idealistic thou. Most, like literally 90% of the people wouldn't really want to wipe all over again. And I think it is fairly understandable - I mean there's so much more contents to grind and stuff and we don't have unlimited time, plus we play games for personal entertainment mostly. With all these in mind it is only natural that people does not enjoy going backwards.

Whilst I have seen a couple of non-hardcore FCs does nice things like learning runs on a weekly basis, it can only do so much. For a not-so-fast learner, that 2-hr learning run on Titan EX might not be enough to train him/her for a clear. I would say it would be his/her onus to follow up on what was learnt during the training by going into PF and practice further and aim for a clear. I think that should be the way forward, to prevent cultivating a mentality that FC = Free Carry.

Most FCs I've met have pretty nice people who doesn't mind showing you around a little. But if you are hoping for your FC to show you all the way to a clear, I think that's a little rare and difficult to ask for. Most people will not be fond of FC = Free Carry either.

Ultimately we must set our expectations right. At the end of the day this is just a game - and people will only feel the entertainment/enjoyment value when they fulfill their personal goals/wants for the game (and that's why some people left). Some people wants gears and loots, some people want progression, some people wants to be just social. That's why you have hardcore, progression minded FCs/LSs, and on the other hand you have some large FCs that welcomes everyone and doesn't mind hosting training runs/lessons for the newcomers (maybe yours is one of them? :) ). People hang around with players of the same mind so that they can achieve the same wants and goals together - it's just natural human behavior.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

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I don't think he was asking for carries or the content to be made easier?

If I can summarize the views and opinions, I read them as unlocking it so you can have the freedom and accessibility to tackle endgame content with whoever you want - instead of being paired with the same group - which is awesome (I run with friends 99% of the time now) - but the liability or "stigma" of a static also means that if/when a member drops completely or is absent for a longer period of time, the group then have to head-hunt a "reliable" PUG member (which, from what I read could be hard sometimes due to the restrictions of the lockout in finding the right member who is on the same turn and has successfully cleared that turn).

Therefore the majority of the night is just spent recruiting....instead of actually doing the run and progressing (and mama-mia help you if the PUG[s] end up lying).

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Originally Posted by PrimeEvilPanda

I don't think he was asking for carries or the content to be made easier?

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Nope, blowfin wasn't. He was replying to the below quote which he thinks that these FCs/LSs are pretty selfish about it, which I'm just stating my own opinion/another side of the story.

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And I doubt people in FC's who have beat SCOB would enjoy doing progression for every member, that would burn people out.

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