ARR often feels very contradictory in its design (long)

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Originally Posted by Arkune

Yes we had this in 1.23 no doubt but we have White Mage Tanks Titan HM now, i am sure its possible to do Bikini runs in ifrit HM too well i dont see any difference at all between 1.23 and ARR in this case.

in 1.23 the 3-5er Meldet Gear was probably the best Items, even some DL pieces wasnt that good at all. Its right that crafted Gear shouldnt be the BiS but whats wrong with let crafters be a part of the Best Endgame Gear like the Abjuration System in XI?

in 1.23 Gear worth something, without a certain Gear your Team was unable to do Speed runs in CC or AV to collect the DL pieces (Bodys) or doin the 13 mins Speed runs for your Relic Items.

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I was strictly talking up to ~1.19, when I stopped playing. When the only speedruns were of DD, which was pointless because the gear that dropped in DD was out-done by HQ crafted items even with 0 materia in them.

Also, I don't think it's right that none of the best in slot is crafted. That's the best way to make crafters part of the endgame. More on that in a second.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

I think we, this day, should atleast be happy that the best gear is not crafted. Because then no one except the persons who have full craft 50 would own them. Because no one spends a single gil on anything anymore.

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I won't be thankful for this. As much as I may not want to level another craft myself, I'd much rather that crafters actually be useful for something other than helping other crafters. It *is* entirely possible to make the best gear crafted without making raiding pointless, and it doesn't even take much imagination to do so.

The more I hear about the combat in the original, the more I wish I had the chance to experience it for myself. I hear so much (mainly) positive things about it that I'd like to see it integrated into what we have now somehow.

Slim chance of that happening, though.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

Soooo a buncha angry nerds ruined this thread by: trying to rally people to unsub, arguing amongst themselves, saying WoW this and WoW that, saying the game is dying, etc etc etc. This was supposed to be a CONSTRUCTIVE thread. To whoever talked about these forums dying, they are, there's nothing good here. Go on the FFXIV reddit and there's 10 "just started playing" threads" a day. Even this thread, when it came out, was discussed in an actual MATURE manner. Honestly, to all the people who just hate constantly..it seems like you guys just gotta move on. Most of you have been around since 1.x and I just think you'll never be satisfied, I really don't know what to tell you all..I think it has just been too long.

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Please don't point the community as a whole to the sub reddit. Let them stay here and bicker with eachother.

^ Ven - the combat in 1.0 was great, a lot better than it is now. Now it's just a button masher, whereas the combat at least had a little thought involved in 1.0. I really wish we could go back to it, not every move was a special and super flashy.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

Now it's just a button masher, whereas the combat at least had a little thought involved in 1.0

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZUUmiPtXo

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Originally Posted by Dhex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZUUmiPtXo

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It may have been slower for sure, more of a sped up FFXI with more reactionary skills, but it doesnt change the fact that what we have now is just a rotation spam fest. In my eye's it's no better, just looks "cooler" when you show people in videos. The combat we have now is what most MMOs have so im sure its not all that impressive to people who have played just about any MMO post-WoW.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZUUmiPtXo

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Might be a sarcastic post, but makes me sad that if we had a similar fight in 2.0, it would be on a regular circular arena like Coil/trials, and we'd do our rotation on the meteorite while dodging instant-kill lasers of doom. Then we'd move to Nael, do our rotation on him, of course while dodging explosions (that blocks your view of the lasers of doom). Then a marker would appear on someone's head, and they have to move to x place (while dodging lasers) or they explode and wipe the group. Then another mark would appear on someone else, and they would have to move to Nael (while dodging lasers), or they explode and wipe the group. At the end Nael would do a super move, you'd need to do your rotation even harder or else he will explode and wipe the group. Super cool.

I thought the 1.0 AOE mechanic was pretty sweet. Every spell could be AOE or single target with the click of a button.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

Yah thinks like that "we would like to see NM's back" thread. That thing had over 3,000 likes and was over 300 pages long...and all we got was "no, we dont like people competing"....which i found F'n hilarious since they changed 1.2x's combat purely for the sake of making it viable for PvP, which we now have....so whats all this about anti-competition? If i find the thread il edit it into here.

Edit: nvm, we wont ever see that among a few others since they cleared a lot of the older posts out.

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You know what else I noticed they cleared out, all evidence of the old games exsistance.
I can't even find the old soundtrack on you tube anymore, lol probably because the old soundtrack was a billion times better and they don't want people to know.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

The last 14 had a host of other problems, like gear not mattering at all, or newly-introduced endgame gear being worse than gear that's flooding the markets.

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Crafting needed a use and it was extremely hard to craft gear that good, I preferred it because it was just as hard if not harder to afford gear like that or craft it than the end game was anyways. I didn't see that as a problem I actually thought it made alot more sense when compared to what we have now. The final sets of end game gear Dark Light was no easy accomplishment ether, both styles of achieving a good end game set were challenging and it was nice to have options. You know not everyone likes doing dungeons all the fkn time.

Crafting classes now have close to no use or purpose and end game gear is so easy now that there isn't even anything in the game worth being proud of.

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Originally Posted by Vandark

You know what else I noticed they cleared out, all evidence of the old games exsistance.
I can't even find the old soundtrack on you tube anymore, lol probably because the old soundtrack was a billion times better and they don't want people to know.

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Look up Before Meteor. They probably killed off any vids to make money off the songs.

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I feel like this sums up my experience with 2.0