Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Exactly. What Sygmaelle is experiencing, is RNGesus. 1 WD = approx 29 DET.

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I hate the RNG. Most of the time my buffed FT (no X-pot) is between 1330 and 1400. I cry everytime it goes under 1300...had it happen a bunch last night too :(

Get my Weathered Liberator this week and hopefully will get my boots and an accessory from T6/7 this week too...watch more healer gear drops (our heals are our most-geared people too...so lucky with Coil2 loots)

We started T8 last night, kept getting to the second Brainjack before wiping (we had the Dread pop around the same time, which is what's probably causing the wipes. We're changing that this week)

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

We have only one bard. He does use foe req, but not very long. I don't parse the fight. But those that do in the group all have very similiar figures using ACT for us all. We've not cleared it yet, but getting pretty close. Outside of food buffs, I don't believe any of us have used other consumables to boost dps. I'm just amazed at how high their dps is, that's all. I could probably squeeze out a little more if I didn't chase down mines or deal with brain jack, but I doubt I'd be matching the summoners. Just curious if other groups are noticing the same thing.

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There is that thing about dots not being 100% accurate.. I have both SMN and DRG, and while DRG def feels like I'm doing more damage, things just melt for my SMN. It's a tough call to be honest.

for the 2nd dread in T8, (one with brain Jak) I put 3 ppl in Dread Tower, and the dread will spawn when Brainjack got like 4 sec left, which is perfect for my group. then you can burn the dread w/o worry about BrainJack

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

There is that thing about dots not being 100% accurate.. I have both SMN and DRG, and while DRG def feels like I'm doing more damage, things just melt for my SMN. It's a tough call to be honest.

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I've not played a summoner yet. I know foe req helps the summoners when it's being played. Would the dots spreading between dreads and the avatar be that extra boost over the monk in my group that's just pounding away at him? I'm just confused how neither summoner is as geared as the monk or myself but parsing nearly 20 dps higher than him, nearly 50 higher than myself. I'm not trying to call foul or anything.


I try to keep phlebotomize up on the avatar while a dreadnaught is up. I have a disembowl ready as well for the dreadnaught and save DFD to hit both. The only time I'm not on on the Avatar is when chasing down mines. Based on other posts on here, I'm doing comparable dps to other dragoons. I've got the accuracy covered, so I know I'm not missing attacks. I just can't think of anything that would improve my overall dps to narrow the gap between myself and the summoners. I'm content lagging behind the monk in my group. For all intents and purposes I'm within that 7-8% threshold that monks have over dragoons (posted some time ago by EasymodeX I think) when they're in situations that greased lightning never falls off.

So if anyone else has any tips, I would appreciate it. It's just me...I just hate losing to ranged dps in this game where fights are melee friendly like this one.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

I've not played a summoner yet. I know foe req helps the summoners when it's being played. Would the dots spreading between dreads and the avatar be that extra boost over the monk in my group that's just pounding away at him? I'm just confused how neither summoner is as geared as the monk or myself but parsing nearly 20 dps higher than him, nearly 50 higher than myself. I'm not trying to call foul or anything.

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Yea if they are using Bane and spreading dots, etc I could see that.. Bio I/II, Miasma I/II, Shadow Flare add up to like 1400 potency after all ticked out (did the math a while back cant remember exactly but it was equivalent to around 5-6 flares)

I can't help anyone with t8, as I'm still working on Twin (I know dragoons are awesome, but I can't carry 7 people alone.. XD).. But I can tell you as far as SMN goes, if they dot up and contagion + bane then all those dots are ticking on both the boss and dread, those are more potent then just CT and Phleb, probably where you are noticing the difference.

PArcher~
Not sure about your team, but we have it timed ( think one person for dread tower ) so that it is coming up right before Brain Jack hits. There is about two secs after the tank gets the Dread on top of Avatar before Brain Jack hits, and they are both just melted down in the center.
Dread dies about two secs before homing missiles go out, so for us at least, it is timed well.

Mythicrose~
Are the numbers for the summoner they giving you with pet ? or with out ?
I have seen some great numbers for both Summoner and Black Mage for this fight, mostly depends on how the group handles mechanics.
Your numbers do not seem far off, for your gear, same with the Monk if he is equally geared, both will probably come up with time and experience on the fight.
When the bard is cycling Foes does make a huge impact on the summoner btw. Our's, will pulse it even at times, just to help the summoner

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

I try to keep phlebotomize up on the avatar while a dreadnaught is up. I have a disembowl ready as well for the dreadnaught and save DFD to hit both. The only time I'm not on on the Avatar is when chasing down mines. Based on other posts on here, I'm doing comparable dps to other dragoons. I've got the accuracy covered, so I know I'm not missing attacks. I just can't think of anything that would improve my overall dps to narrow the gap between myself and the summoners. I'm content lagging behind the monk in my group. For all intents and purposes I'm within that 7-8% threshold that monks have over dragoons (posted some time ago by EasymodeX I think) when they're in situations that greased lightning never falls off.

So if anyone else has any tips, I would appreciate it. It's just me...I just hate losing to ranged dps in this game where fights are melee friendly like this one.

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A parse doesn't tell a whole story though. You see, you may not do as much damage over the course of a large fight like a smn would, but drg is there to help destroy something quickly. Setting up a piercing debuff for your bard and being there to do the big hits is invaluable. If everyone just used dots certain mechanics would be much more annoying to deal with.

Now is it fair that drg gets the short end of the stick? Not really but right now in my group pre-mega flare on T9 I do the most damage. The summoner is up there with me, but his dots don't tick during dives. Giving me the advantage.... look forward to future fights where a boss will cleanse themselves or become immune to dots for a short time.

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Originally Posted by Taleon

Mythicrose~
Are the numbers for the summoner they giving you with pet ? or with out ?
I have seen some great numbers for both Summoner and Black Mage for this fight, mostly depends on how the group handles mechanics.
Your numbers do not seem far off, for your gear, same with the Monk if he is equally geared, both will probably come up with time and experience on the fight.
When the bard is cycling Foes does make a huge impact on the summoner btw. Our's, will pulse it even at times, just to help the summoner

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The numbers are with the pet included (garuda used by both). Maybe it's just the use of foe req while dreadnaughts are up and as Whiskeybravo said, the potency of all the dots being spread. Like I said, I'm not familiar with the summoner. I just thought it odd how the two are lesser geared but doing more dps.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

pre-mega flare on T9 I do the most damage. The summoner is up there with me, but his dots don't tick during dives. Giving me the advantage.... look forward to future fights where a boss will cleanse themselves or become immune to dots for a short time.

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Been noticing the same thing. Summoners seem to get hit pretty hard up to megaflare in that fight.
Equally though, I hear the do very well in the end phases of the fight

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Originally Posted by Mardel

A parse doesn't tell a whole story though. You see, you may not do as much damage over the course of a large fight like a smn would, but drg is there to help destroy something quickly. Setting up a piercing debuff for your bard and being there to do the big hits is invaluable. If everyone just used dots certain mechanics would be much more annoying to deal with.

Now is it fair that drg gets the short end of the stick? Not really but right now in my group pre-mega flare on T9 I do the most damage. The summoner is up there with me, but his dots don't tick during dives. Giving me the advantage.... look forward to future fights where a boss will cleanse themselves or become immune to dots for a short time.

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if you average the fight out, the bard and summoner will do more damage than you. We lose so much damage in the last phase.