Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

Let's talk AOE rotations on 3 targets. The number of posts regarding 4.0 BLM AOE is limited and the math behind the posts are scarce. People are recommending the F4>F4>Flare>Foul>Flare>Transpose while I have been skipping the F4s and going straight for Flare>Foul>Flare>Transpose. T4P is used as much as possible anywhere you can fit it.

I've posted the math on a previous post and it came out with the latter being more PPS. This comparison assumes that both are casting B4 for the UH. The window for my PPS computation starts with B4 and ends with Transpose. Has anyone figured out a better AOE rotation (with math please)?

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Originally Posted by Zyler

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Keep in mind on a high movement fight, loss of control areas and general f u blm fights speed has always translated over better than power. Keep in mind thole lower your ss the less casts youll get off before mechanisms decide they hate your job.

This results in general lost casts and harder to adapt rotations. On a dummy sure DH heavy builds will win but i said a bit ago its better to have a healthy amount of both despite what the weights say.

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Originally Posted by soslinky

Let's talk AOE rotations on 3 targets. The number of posts regarding 4.0 BLM AOE is limited and the math behind the posts are scarce. People are recommending the F4>F4>Flare>Foul>Flare>Transpose while I have been skipping the F4s and going straight for Flare>Foul>Flare>Transpose. T4P is used as much as possible anywhere you can fit it.

I've posted the math on a previous post and it came out with the latter being more PPS. This comparison assumes that both are casting B4 for the UH. The window for my PPS computation starts with B4 and ends with Transpose. Has anyone figured out a better AOE rotation (with math please)?

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Do you still have the pps numbers handy so I don't have to recalc it?
That said, it's either one or the other, since Fire II is less pps that Fire IV in 3 targets.
Did your calculation include the subsequent UI rotation?
I'm curious about "steady" dps (dps with both rotations over an arbitrary long time period if time).

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

I am only at 1355. I have been getting the SpS 40 slowly with the hunt seals. I don't want to spend 100k or more at the MB for them. Also, the new raid gear has ton of SpS, so next week I will see what I can get.

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Why don't you just do hunts? They're faster than grinding seals and they have a 50% chance to drop a cracked cluster which you can trade in for materia VI.

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Originally Posted by VitalSuit

Why don't you just do hunts? They're faster than grinding seals and they have a 50% chance to drop a cracked cluster which you can trade in for materia VI.

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Honestly, too much work and running around like a chicken with my head cut off annoys the shit out of me. I am not a fan of the Hunt LS as well.

@Galvuu
I ran the numbers using the BLM DPS calc by Eddo in reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...adsheet_thing/

I did wonder about 'steady dps' but due to the mobs in dungeons dying after 2 or 3 rounds of AF AOE I never really bothered with finding out.

Here are the results (sample window was the opener plus the succeeding AF phase):
https://image.ibb.co/bOUFVF/AOE_MATH.png

UPDATE:
On 4 targets or more, F2>F2>Flare>Flare yields greater PPS.
At 5 targets the difference is 240PPS vs. 224PPS with F2>F2>Flare>Flare being the former.

You would want to add thunder in your aoe, no? It's potency now that we have aoe thunder cannot be dismissed.
I always add thunder but alas i really hate math so do no calculations, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

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Correct. In fact, since Flare>Foul>Flare is more pps, Blizz 3 is actually useless. You don't need full mana, just enough to Flare+Foul, so two UI ticks are enough.

Flare>Foul>Flare>Transpose>B4>T4>F3>(repeat)
Is probably the best aoe we have for 3 targets.
Sharpcast going to T4 means that if Swift/Triple are up, we can use the proc after we hit Tranpose so we're dpsing while waiting for the manatick (T4proc>B4>F3 should still give us the mp we need).

I'll look into the numbers more carefully when I'm back from work...

Yeah my bad, you skip the B3s and go straight to B4 after Transpose. You could even start the pull with B1.

a few short questions to cast times:

by how much (and which) fire spell cast times get reduced under ice or fire astral? and only under fire or ice astral 3?.. blizzard 3 also gets reduced if casted under fire astral 3, right?

but fire 4 and blizzard 4 never get reduced cause of a astral a?