Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

It's unfair for normal weapons to be better than relics, but it's also unfair to have worked hard for a single weapon and never having to worry about getting a better one again.

That's like working really hard to get a job and then just getting a guaranteed position for the rest of your life. It just makes no sense. You gotta keep working on it and keep putting effort into it.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I damn well hope so.

Relics have been a part of every FF game. 14 should be no different. The "ultimate weapons" take a lot of effort to acquire, and thus are, and should be, the best weapons available.

Don't go changing that now to appease casuals please. I LIKE earning my gear/weapons the hard way. The sense of accomplishment in 11 is why it is STILL going strong today.

There are always weapons that are similar, or very close in stats. Use those.

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100x THIS ^

yall keep forgetting that relics are gonna be upgradable

Well, it will be upsetting if Titan weapons dont surpass relic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

I hate the idea of weapons stronger than relics, even if they become upgradeable.

Something better than artemis bow seems ridiculous.

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Welcome to the world of MMO's. In WoW, each expansion a legendary weapon came out that people sweat blood to obtain, then the next expansion came and they became out dated. It is a cruddy feeling, but that is what happens in a gear progressive game.

It is nice however they are making methods of upgrading them. Honestly, the relics can't be the most powerful forever. Do you not plan on ever getting a new weapon again? It is a fair balance however to keep them the most powerful, but you have to upgrade them again.

I love my Gae Bolg, but I will eventually see the next really cool spear I want with better stats.

We are not in a FFXI style gear system anymore, things are going to get outdated and new goals will be set every major patch. Your own opinion how you feel about it, but this seems to be the case in where the developers want to go with the game. My opinion is that I like it. I am actually not sure how I farmed Sky for over seven years in FFXI, I guess it "worked" for how that game was set up. Today I play a raid for less than six months and want the next thing, guess I am fallen into the basic MMO standards, but I find this method fun and always something new to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Checked with Yoshida-san.

While relic weapons are currently the most powerful, when we release weapons stronger than them, we plan on making it possible to enhance relic weapons. So with that said, keeping relic weapons as a base, we'll look into enhancements so that their stats can catch up to others if they lag behind.

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My take on this, being a relic owner in XI before cap increase, is that people are possibly more worried that with the increase and possible introduction of new "endgame" alternative weapons the same thing that happened with XI's relics will happen to XIV's relics. By this, I mean that you will soon find that your weapon, while once the best of the best, will end up being best of a niche. It might serve a specific purpose, but that might not be the purpose you expected out of it back when it was first released to the final end result.

Relic weapons in XI went through a lot of changes, but the biggest difference between them and XIV's weapons is that in XIV they do not give the user any special features that are invisible nor a unique ability. Instead for XIV they were made similar to XI's Mythic weapon line by which they complement the jobs existing abilities, but maintain highest dps also. To that extent XIV might not run into the same issues XI did with relic weapons. Well, aside from the fact you'll probably have some type of insane requirements in order to increase the stats of your weapon when they increase cap. I bet they utilize crystal tower or labyrinth with stringent speed runs or similar.

Then again I think it was a mistake for SE to even release relic weapons this early on since current cap is 50 and they already had plans to increase cap at some point. Generally you wouldn't add an endgame weapon like this unless you meant to keep a cap for an extended period of time (ala XI's 75 cap for nearly 6 years).

I know a lot of people who have all 7 relic weapons...I don't think they have the same novelty as they did in previous FF. Oh well. I was hoping the Legendary weapons Yoshida mentioned would be the true "relic" weapons to to speak. Seems like we aren't getting those anymore? :(

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I know a lot of people who have all 7 relic weapons...I don't think they have the same novelty as they did in previous FF. Oh well. I was hoping the Legendary weapons Yoshida mentioned would be the true "relic" weapons to to speak. Seems like we aren't getting those anymore? :(

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I think it would be best for the current relics to turn into the "Legendary" weapons. So that you'd have to go through the relic quest to even start the Legendary quest. That would be cool and add to the novelty.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Welcome to the world of MMO's. In WoW, each expansion a legendary weapon came out that people sweat blood to obtain, then the next expansion came and they became out dated. It is a cruddy feeling, but that is what happens in a gear progressive game.

It is nice however they are making methods of upgrading them. Honestly, the relics can't be the most powerful forever. Do you not plan on ever getting a new weapon again? It is a fair balance however to keep them the most powerful, but you have to upgrade them again.

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Welcome to the world of MMO's?
More like
Welcome to the world of Warcraft.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Welcome to the world of MMO's?
More like
Welcome to the world of Warcraft.

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Welcome most MMO's to date outside of possibly GW2 (wherein there are no OMGWTFBBQ BiS). The gear treadmill is proven to work, and it always gives you something to look forward to in the reasonable future. You're still on the XI mentality, where people rage anytime a former BiS item loses it's luster.

We can either go back to the ffxi days of low drop rates, 3-7 day spawn periods, and archaic dragon's aery camping, or we can go with the new style which means your gear may become obsolete in <7 years time. The old mentality really only works with FFXI, it just doesn't mesh with modern gaming.