Non-binary option for characters, please?

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How about, you go kickstart a "gender neutral" MMO, to protect tender feelings. Let me know how that goes for you.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

You're doing it right now by insisting that it must be a mental disorder, when again, you cannot make that call for everyone else. Nobody can.

The only reason that people would cling to this terminology is to have something to lord over trans people and make them feel like there's something wrong with their heads.

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Technically the decision to diagnose and classify mental disorders are on doctors and scientists. However, if someone shows the basic symptoms of a mental disorder it can be recognized by the common man. As that does help the person afflicted get help. That's why these things are public knowledge. For the most part none of this is in any way harmful. Your average person is more apathetic towards anything that doesn't immediately affect them. Even going as far as playing along even if they themselves don't adhere to that same belief. The idea that it's a harmful classification is wrong. That's like saying being labeled autistic is wrong. They have problems that doctors can help with and if they know what that problem is they can help fix it. What you're doing is denying people help.

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What you're doing is denying people help.

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I've done nothing of the sort. Also, not all trans people want or need "help", but this whole "they're all disordered" rhetoric sure sounds like it's trying to push it on them.

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Your average person is more apathetic towards anything that doesn't immediately affect them.

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This thread is proof enough of that.

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Originally Posted by kamenkuro

Technically the decision to diagnose and classify mental disorders are on doctors and scientists.

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Homosexuality and other sexual orientations were also labeled as mental illnesses and were illegal in many places. Those things change as people get over their bigotry.

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The idea that it's a harmful classification is wrong. That's like saying being labeled autistic is wrong.

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Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

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What you're doing is denying people help.

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Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

Considering that no one can agree on how many genders there are, I think the only "solution" would be to have options of choosing "he", "she" or "they" as form of adressing yourself. It would involve some work in rewriting all texts, but it would be safe from new gender emerging tomorrow. And even that is only for English language. I don't know how French, German or Japanese languages are structured, but in my language (Slovenian) it would not be possible, as sex is reflected in many predicates, verbs and other parts of a sentence. And that sex only has three forms.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Depends on who hears about it. Parents can even abuse their children if they're diagnosed as autistic, oftentimes under the guise of trying to help or 'cure' them.

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So we should stop diagnosing and treating children, because their parents might try to abuse them for it. That's what you're pushing for...
It's it's totally the doctor's fault and not the parents, or anything.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Implying trans people need medical help beyond possible gender reassignment surgery...

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You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

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I'll yield I got my foot in my mouth there. But usually when people with that person's attitude talk about getting trans people medical help, they mean things more along the lines of shock therapy.

When was the last time you talked to someone who actually DIRECTLY said medical help is akin to shock therapy or pray the gay away type situations? These people need help because it's life changing decisions and the suicide rate is insanely high because many people are hit with awful regret after they go through with it. Counseling and therapy is needed first and foremost before anything else. The problems may run deeper than just "I'm in the wrong body"

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

So we should stop diagnosing and treating children, because their parents might try to abuse them for it. That's what you're pushing for...
It's it's totally the doctor's fault and not the parents, or anything.


You mean like the hormonal therapy that goes with the surgery and psychological counseling to make sure someone really wants to go through the process, not just having doubts and all necessary information that comes with the process.
Yup, totally not needed.

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Hormonal therapy which can cause cancer, surgery that increase the chance for suicide by large increase, it seem the original poster saw as chance politicalize the forum. the issue is this part of really world isn't need.