How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

If the gatekeeper has several mechanics from the following raid tier, then you're actually preparing people for them ahead of time, because if you can execute them on the gatekeeper, you can execute them on the raids themselves.

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then why do you need the gatekeeper? Generally it has to be a lesser or different check, or then the fight is just a formality. It also has to be hard n itself. I also don't think knowledge transfers over as much, each fight will always be unique even if the base mechanics are borrowed.

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It's no big deal for the person being carried. After all, they're not the ones making an effort to compensate for the person not giving their all in the fight. If such a person was in one of those statics that prioritize loot based on necessity and performance, it would take a while till that person got ahold of a gear piece

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You compensate for each other. You don't view people like that, you invest in them. If you view them as burdens, well guess what, one day its your turn to be viewed as one because you suck at a particular fight this time, or your job is unoptimal, or new guy is better than you.

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You also have people complaining that a MSQ fight easier than most dungeon bosses is too hard, so it's not like it's just one side at fault here. Plus that's on SE to fix, not people to endure.

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The people who complain about those legitimately have problems with the game that story fights are all they can do. And the complaint is about unexpected difficulty. And the sheer griping about others who are lesser skilled gets old considering how little they affect you.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

then why do you need the gatekeeper? Generally it has to be a lesser or different check, or then the fight is just a formality.

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Pretty sure the answer to this was said a page or two ago. To check to see if you are skilled enough to clear it and be ready for the next fight. If a player isn't skilled enough to clear the gatekeeper, then they have no business whatsoever going into the last fight. Currently, V11N is a great gatekeeper. If, after a few pulls and learning the mechanics, you are not skilled enough to deal with Larboard/Starboard, dealing with the Duty Action, and dropping your puddles while avoiding Flamethrower or a Rocket Punch, then you need to work on that, and generally have no business touching higher skill tiers, which would be Savage.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

You can lie on the floor for all of it, pass it, and then get savage after beating 12. So no, it isn't. The larboard thing can even be ignored with the right classes; i can soak both hits as healer because i have 44k hp and just heal myself in between hits; the 2 def down stacks wont kill you unless you mess up far easier mechanics. A gatekeeper will be much harder than that, though.

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Gonna add this in, even though I hit my post limit. If a player cannot comfortably dodge larboard/starboard, dies to it in conditions where the boss isn't being moved around, and then tell themselves that they are good enough to move on to a stronger fight, then that player is a detriment to their party, and likely candidates to be carried. Players are still getting killed by that mechanic, even with reminders being sent. Players are still getting hit by the rocket punch. Players who have run this fight multiple times, and still are not able to avoid dying in good conditions - dying due to their own failure to successfully complete mechanics.

The point is not to survive - the point is that if, in good conditions, you cannot stop dying to things like this, then you as a player (not you in particular Riyah) are a problem if you move into Savage with comfort that you survived. You've seen some of the threads - some players can't avoid dying to it, even with the solutions being explained to them (associate Larboard with boss attacking its left side). I wasn't here for HW's launches, but I was definitely here when Shinryu mopped the floor with complacent players. I was here when Tsuku stepped on some players who were used to being carried. You can't say gatekeepers will be stronger than that, when you have a history of not wanting harder content in the game.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Currently, V11N is a great gatekeeper.

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You can lie on the floor for all of it, pass it, and then get savage after beating 12. So no, it isn't. The larboard thing can even be ignored with the right classes; i can soak both hits as healer because i have 44k hp and just heal myself in between hits; the 2 def down stacks wont kill you unless you mess up far easier mechanics. A gatekeeper will be much harder than that, though.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

You can lie on the floor for all of it, pass it, and then get savage after beating 12. So no, it isn't. The larboard thing can even be ignored with the right classes; i can soak both hits as healer because i have 44k hp and just heal myself in between hits; the 2 def down stacks wont kill you unless you mess up far easier mechanics. A gatekeeper will be much harder than that, though.

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So are we talking about finding a way to not stop people being able to go into content they don't have the skill for, or people going into content they know fully well they don't master but still going anyway? Otherwise why would someone attempt to go into Savage if they don't know how to deal with O11?

Not to mention there are people complaining of being unable to actually clear O11 due to bad performance of mostly the whole party.

While its anecdotal, for the most part I dont really raid, a main reason is my hesitation at entering content that I dont really feel ready for. I've parsed myself a few times and have always been struck at how easy it is to lose a lot of numbers to easy mistakes and fat fingering buttons. While it can be very jarring to see at first, it did help me focus since it gave me a numerical representation of performance. I could see a direct connection between missed mechanics in simple fights and dropped DPS. I know that there are people who like to use this feature to lord it over others. But I dont see anything but a tool for reflection when we talk about a personal, private number.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

So are we talking about finding a way to not stop people being able to go into content they don't have the skill for

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I think essentially a solo ex fight. You want it solo so you can't be carried, and ex fight because a dummy isn't enough and you need mechanics that oneshot you. if 011n was a gatekeeper so was a12n; the last alex fight even on normal was a bit of a difficulty spike back then.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

You can lie on the floor for all of it, pass it, and then get savage after beating 12. So no, it isn't. The larboard thing can even be ignored with the right classes; i can soak both hits as healer because i have 44k hp and just heal myself in between hits; the 2 def down stacks wont kill you unless you mess up far easier mechanics. A gatekeeper will be much harder than that, though.

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Nope, a gatekeeper would be in that difficulty, just you were solo and it would be different for each role or job, so vuln stack but a 100% healing negotiation for healers.

You already have it: Stone, Sky, Sea.
If you pass it, your stats and rotation are enough for the fight. Too bad too much people even ignore its existence.

A stationary target that does literally nothing and can be cheesed by having a chocobo companion out does nothing, but okay.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

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Because the community is so totally not toxic already.

Great community btw.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

You already have it: Stone, Sky, Sea.
If you pass it, your stats and rotation are enough for the fight. Too bad too much people even ignore its existence.

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It's not a gatekeeper to the fight though, if you're hoping to add to that discussion. Its not a good alternative to a parser either. It's a good 3 minute rotational learning tool, but it's not much else.