Market Wards, enough is enough

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Originally Posted by Shai

I request the kindergarten ant farm again. Can we do requests?

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infact i dunno what you mean. :3

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Originally Posted by Kam

infact i dunno what you mean. :3

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I'd link you but you clearly know Kilta enough to know what I mean without reading it first hand.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

So when 26% of the players voted they wanted an Auction House they lied? It was only 2nd to content.

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Nah, they're not lying.

Cairdeas is just arguing semantics for whatever reason.

Judging by the various remarks in this thread and others about this issue, I think it should be pretty obvious what people mean in this context when they say they want an AH system. They want a system that allows them to more conveniently and quickly browse or search for an item, locate said item and purchase said item, without the hassle the current MW system introduces through its setup.

I personally am not fond of the MW setup even if they do stabilize it. To me, it's just another example of how SE has this penchant for occasionally taking something and over-complicating it, apparently for the sake of doing so; even when much more elegant and effective methods are already established.

I believe it's even in the most recent letter, or an otherwise very recent article, where it's discussed that they realized algorithms they're using for another aspect of the game are more complicated than they need to be. Again, typical SE.

Whether or not bidding is involved doesn't seem to be so much the issue and, in fact, I've hardly ever even seen that aspect of it brought up.

For reasons other people have already mentioned, I dislike the MW. Just read my sig to understand where I am coming from. It not only extends to the idea of an AH (there I said it Cairdeas!!!0.0), but also to the ridiculous repair system. They could at least let NPCs repair all gear to 100%. If not that then do something about the inconvenience of having to seek repairs from a PC. NPCs have figured out how to instantly repair things w/o having to unequip, why cant players? Its as Preypacer says, they just love to needlessly overcomplicate certain things. Yea, I know crafters need it...... gil sink..... blah blah blah..... First off, I dont care!!! Secondly, there would still be gil sinks in repairs, and there could be other gil sinks. Thirdly, crafters can be made relevant through crafting gear and that materia system and dying well enough.

Hmm went a bit off topic, but with that said I too am disappointed by the Community Reps response. They need to rectify that statement and quickly. I know quite a few people who's return was pending the inclusion of an AH. I also think that an AH will bring in more people than the MW. You don't attract new people to the game by catering to the RPs. You have to include things that will draw the largest playerbase, and like it or not that means an AH. Then again while SE can make some great games, sometimes its like they flip a coin to decide on a good or bad idea. The best example I can give you from the past is when SE made FF: Spirits Within movie. They tried to cater to a larger audience (that didn't care) in favor of catering to their fan base (who felt alienated). It bombed at the Box Office,especially considering how much money was sunk into it. This should have been a no brainer: Make a FF7 movie. Admittedly, it probably would have still done bad, but it would have done a lot better than Spirits Within.

I understand they have bigger fish to fry and a budget, but that statement shouldnt read they arent considering it yet. It should read that they are planning on implementing it after some of the other plans, changes and fixes are out of the way.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

You do know what the MW was from right? players used to sit out afk in various zones. It got laggy and casual players didn't have time or could keep they pc or consules on 24/7 trying to sell stuff.

Honestly AH's are not as fast as you guys are thinking. It could take weeks to sell stuff from an AH, or it can take months for an item to be put on the AH. You guys need to take account the flaws with an AH system also. Not just think of them with rose colored glasses. The only fix would be to scrap both and just have npc sell everything. Then get rid of the crafting and gathering classes. Market wards are an interactive AH and they take the same amount of time to use.

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Bolded pretty much the only thing I have ever seen you write and actually liked it. I am willing to put up with a more efficient and easy market and economy. However, it it were up to me I'd do exactly as you said, but only consumables would be sold bey NPCs. Everything else would be Bind on Pickup, and gotten from quests and NMs and endgame, but thats just me.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Also i never came out saying I was a know it all, but what I said was basic info. Everyone here assumes the worst of people.

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Technically you are correct. However, I have seen more than enough of your posts to conclude you must think that you do. You have way too many posts in this thread alone, and most of it is you argueing (very ineffectively) in a very condescending and arrogant tone. So much so in this thread and other threads, that I am amazed you haven't been banned already. Even if mosts of your posts weren't as I have accurately descirbed, you still post often enough for it to be considered spam.

By the way, how do you like my soon to be new Signature?

Kilta_Firelotus: Different Teams!!!


LOL. My God that one is a keeper. Thanks for making me laugh today Kilta. I had a really hard day at work, but because of you, I will sleep with ease.

I concur, enough is enough, why waste time, effort and manpower in fixing the buggy market wards, when there is already a proven workable method of auction house?

Market Wards is not interesting, people will not see it as a special feature of FFXIV, it is not something that will attract more players.

Seriously, all it does is provide unnecessary hassle and limitations for the player, it should be gone and replaced by AH.

market wards are too much work, not enough reward for spending time looking for items.

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Originally Posted by Shai

I'd link you but you clearly know Kilta enough to know what I mean without reading it first hand.

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I still don't know what you mean.

On another note~

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Cairdeas is just arguing semantics for whatever reason.

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He'll argue anything, for any reason. Its not worth it. He is everything kilta hopes to be.

Anyways.

AH please. Stop wasting time.

As a suggestion, they should do something similar to EQ2, integrating AH with personal housing.

They should have an AH, if people chooses to buy from AH, there will be taxes imposed on the items bought.
If they do not wished to be taxed, they have to go to the seller's house to buy the item.

Normally, for cheapers stuffs like crafting ingredients or consumables, I will buy it straight from AH, however, for expensive items like spell scrolls, I will take a trip to the seller's home(could be in another city) to buy it without tax.

This is a really nice system because it offers the ease of AH, on top of that, it encourages players to visits other player's house, sellers can show off their nicely furnitured home to their buyers(some 5-room homes equiped by bedroom, dining room etc really looked amazing).

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Wait...aren't auction houses old school? =p The first most obvious example being XI.

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yeah, Hypocracy never gets old it seems.

NO NEED FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE IN FFXIV. PERIOD