The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Someone who puts in the time to be the best should be the best.... if you only puts in 10hrs a week it is your choice but it should literally take you 4xs as long as a hardcore who puts in 40hrs to progress....

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This is something the casual players are aware of, we know that it will take a much longer time for us to get good gears, and we don't mind that.

But what the hardcore players want is contents which are inaccessible to the casual players (i.e.camping).

You just have no sence of an economy or an actual entitlement issue.

You need to start compaining about food in ff11 that was to expencive to buy from the lack of farming/crafting on your part and how unfair it is that you had no access to the content.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I find it amusing that the hardcore players in general are not against SE adding casual content to the game, but as soon as the hardcore people want some content to keep them occupied the casual go on a rampage.

If square whats the game to succeed they need to make both groups happy. Casual make up the majority of the market but hardcore make up a lot of their existing mmo base on both ffxi and XIV (the people who been with square's mmos for around a decade). Make content for both you make both groups happy.

Why can't their be content for both, I am a hardcore player and I do not care if casuals have content, but it just pisses me off that the casuals are so greedy they refuse to let me have content I can enjoy.

Hardcore gamers it is a choice, just like trying to be the best at Baseball, Football, bowling, or anything else in life. Some people do it purely for the fun of it and do not care about being the best, some to try to really excel at the activity. This whole OMG no hardcore content at all BS people are screaming about just makes no sense. No one complains at all about being "Hardcore" outside a game. Not many say the NFL players where losers for wasting their life on a game, and I never heard anyone try to sue them or anything for the NFL players getting more spotlight then Jr.High football teams.

All in all nothing good in life should come easy, to be the best should take dedication. This may be a game but as in chess if you do not practice it and have patients you will really suck at it, and honestly that is how it should be... the instant success movement for mmos is just plain stupid.

Someone who puts in the time to be the best should be the best.... if you only puts in 10hrs a week it is your choice but it should literally take you 4xs as long as a hardcore who puts in 40hrs to progress.... that is how it works in life and in every other game on the planet. You get what you put in. You casuals can try to disagree with this last statement I made but if you do you are just wrong take a look at the world.

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In this thread's 23 pages, not once did anyone suggest that 100% of the content should be casual-only.

No one accuses NFL players of being losers who wasted their lives on a game, because all NFL players are millionaires. How much money have you made playing FFXIV?

The stuff you say in your last paragraph is exactly what I and the majority of the so-called "casuals" have been saying this whole time! No one is saying they want everything handed to them, they only want access to the same stuff without having to be logged on to the game for hours upon hours at a time.

If a "hardcore" player does a marathon session and obtains an item or accomplishes something in a single 12 hour session, that's cool. The "casual" player would like to be able to get the same stuff by playing 1 hour sessions over the course of 12 days. What's wrong with that?

Sounds like your supporting RMT activity. Basically the only way were not wasteing our lives doing what we enjoy is to sell gil to be like NFL players.

And this thread is not the first thread to talk about these issues.

You do want it easy, us doing a "marathon" and getting gear fast, means it was easy, thats like seeing a HNM ls in sky and burning threw it and gearing a whole ls in a few days, that marathon is easy, thats your content, we need something after those 2 days that you will work years on, HNM's, its not for everybody.

Since some people simply can't grasp what we're saying, here's an example.


Matt Hardcore is a hardcore FFXIV player. He's retired and has a lot of free times, so he usually manages about 4-5 hours of gametime per day. He's max rank in all DoW classes, and most of the others aren't too far behind. He averages about 4 hours per day.

The next large patch is released, and with it we see the first class-specific armor and weapon sets released. Playing like he normally does, Matt manages to nab about three pieces per week, and he comples the entire set in about 3 weeks.

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Jenni Casual is a casual FFXIV player. She's a single mother with a bit of family support, so her free time is limited, but she normally averages 3-5 hours on the weekend to get her FFXIV fix. She's max rank conjurer, and most of her other jobs are hovering around R15.

The next large patch is released, and with it she sees the first class-specific armor and weapon sets released. Playing like she normally does, Jenni manages to nab an average of one piece per week (or weekend in her case), and she completes the entire set in about 3 months.




See how that works? We don't want stuff given to us, we just want access. Same amount of work, just over a different time frame that fits our play style.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Since some people simply can't grasp what we're saying, here's an example.


Matt Hardcore is a hardcore FFXIV player. He's retired and has a lot of free times, so he usually manages about 4-5 hours of gametime per day. He's max rank in all DoW classes, and most of the others aren't too far behind. He averages about 4 hours per day.

The next large patch is released, and with it we see the first class-specific armor and weapon sets released. Playing like he normally does, Matt manages to nab about three pieces per week, and he comples the entire set in about 3 weeks.

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Jenni Casual is a casual FFXIV player. She's a single mother with a bit of family support, so her free time is limited, but she normally averages 3-5 hours on the weekend to get her FFXIV fix. She's max rank conjurer, and most of her other jobs are hovering around R15.

The next large patch is released, and with it she sees the first class-specific armor and weapon sets released. Playing like she normally does, Jenni manages to nab an average of one piece per week (or weekend in her case), and she completes the entire set in about 3 months.




See how that works? We don't want stuff given to us, we just want access. Same amount of work, just over a different time frame that fits our play style.

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Analogies ftw! But I think we all know matt hardcore is a guy living in low income housing with a part time job and a neckbeard lmfao, just kidding.

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

Analogies ftw! But I think we all know matt hardcore is a guy living in low income housing with a part time job and a neckbeard lmfao, just kidding.

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And Jenni Casual is just a baddie who's lolmad because she wanted to start the game at max rank with the best gear already equipped. ^_^

It sounds to me like the people in this thread (at least those who aren't trolls for one side or the other), are saying essentially the same thing. Only they're saying it differently, and it's causing some misunderstanding.

This thread should be entitled: "I hate everyone because I can't be special for the thing I like to do (Camp NM's all day)."

Stop already please! Just because you think you are better than other's because you want to spend your time killing NM's doesn't make it true. Everyone that earns a 50 job, has earned it. You aren't any more special because you spend more time in the game. Casual players and Hard corer's are entitled to the same gear at 50. Honestly! I enjoy crafting. Can I whine that I don't think you think you are entitled to the same benefits I am because you rank up one craft instead of them all? I guess I can. I guess anyone can whine about anything even if it's incrediably ridiculous. I'm sorry to have to break this to you but we're all equal here.

So after these 3 weeks, Matt needs to do what? Wait for casuals to play catch-up and stay off the game?

An example that was a longer time-frame might sound better like years for a hardcore-person which is generally the case which would take a casual 6-8yrs (Relics).

SE could put more content in this game than you could ever complete in a life-time and you wouldnt care, all you want is there to be nothing for us to do after week 3. Endgame isnt something that anyone can keep you from doing, if you couldnt find a ls, you made one, most events for maby 1-2hrs twice a week on 11 and gathered your own members and stop being sheep yourselves.

There is absolutely nothing keeping you from endgame/hnm's but your own choices. You having a family and kids, thats fkn great, im happy for you, it truely is something great to have yet not for everyone, people did not make/want the same choices you have made, us having more time than you isnt our fault, its yours.

Bill Hardcore - Has his family and friends and a 8hr/6day a week jobs, goes out with friends every few days, sees his family often, but doesnt have kids and is done with school and can manage 4-6hrs a day on a game. Though we should burn him at the stake for having no kids and ruining the excuse that casuals have been using for years trying to force there own life-choices on others.

Jeronlmo, do you actually play 14?