Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

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Forever hardcore in gray?

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This really doesnt help you.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

This really doesnt help you.

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After taking a look at the website, it's actually true, so it does help.

I dont talk about things I dont know if I have absolutely 0 clue.

This is like a player doing a trial roulette every day and that's all they do, and they ask for ultimate nerfs, it just doesnt make sense.

WoW isn't that much difference, you have to play through specific expansions before you can join the current one.
But it's also a story-driven game, so it's expected you go through the expansions. If you dislike it, cough up the cash for a skip.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

WoW isn't that much difference, you have to play through specific expansions before you can join the current one.
But it's also a story-driven game, so it's expected you go through the expansions. If you dislike it, cough up the cash for a skip.

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I can be done with WoW's story in a few days time, can you say the same for FFXIV ? Very different amount of hours to put in.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I can be done with WoW's story in a few days time, can you say the same for FFXIV ? Very different amount of hours to put in.

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As I was saying, it's two different games, my point was you couldn't jump into the latest content immediately as a new player without buying skips.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I can be done with WoW's story in a few days time, can you say the same for FFXIV ? Very different amount of hours to put in.

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I can take one of each class to maxlevel + early/mid m+ / heroic raid ready in half the time it takes someone to go through all FF14 expansions even if they skip cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

I can take one of each class to maxlevel + early/mid m+ / heroic raid ready in half the time it takes someone to go through all FF14 expansions even if they skip cutscenes.

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Exactly, I mentioned this earlier in this thread, by the time you are done with the story in FFXIV, you can have multiple characters fully decked in m+ gear and hc, its really a terrible comparison

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

As I was saying, it's two different games, my point was you couldn't jump into the latest content immediately as a new player without buying skips.

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Of course not immediately, but I'd rather do 4 days to a week of story than do an entire month.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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I think the ship of a alternate start has sailed with the trust system

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

I think the ship of a alternate start has sailed with the trust system

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Certainly I see the trust system delaying such a concept lol, without it I'd be thinking we need an alt start now.. like already for this expansion; however, even with trusts I just can't imagine someone looking me in the eye with a straight face after reviewing the conceptual impact of 6+ games of forced content prior to whatever is 'current' and saying it's not a concern (doesn't mean alt start will be the only potential solution, skip potions is the dirt cheap option, but imo worse).

I'm not sure why it was suggested WoW isn't much different when WoW's current solution is 1 prev + 1 current (and is faster than even just two FFXIV expansions, given it's less story driven*), but that's akin to what I had mentioned long ago (but with the added 'alt start' concept so the beginning of an expansion is smoother). Though it made more sense to me to close off the saga and then make an expansion where that concept flowed more easily (like in the new ones coming up, 7.0, 8.0). In a new expansion not bound to the saga that 2.0 to 6.0 was, the 'alt start' might just be "the intro of the expansion".

*That WoW is faster per expansion isn't really the point, 60 per expansion is fine- just that 120 hours is substantially different than 300++ (+60 per new expansion) lol.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

WoW isn't that much difference, you have to play through specific expansions before you can join the current one.
But it's also a story-driven game, so it's expected you go through the expansions. If you dislike it, cough up the cash for a skip.

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Not really true, for WoW. I think currently they drop you into tutorial island then into BfA for 1-60 on a fresh account, then 60-70 in current expac. Subsequent characters you can level in any expansion you want then go into current expansion at 60.

Leveling a new character takes basically no time at all. As an example, looking at an alt I started recently, my time played to max level was about 24 hours of /played, and I wasn't trying to go fast really.