Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Not to take sides too hard here, but regardless of how many people use mods, I genuinely think you're severely overestimating amount of people who would be willing to permanently quit the game over the blockage. In fact, Id say among those who use them, only superminority actually has their enjoyment of the game RELY on the mods, rather than just being enhanced by them. An annoyingly loud minority, but a minority nevertheless.

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Reread what the person I am responding to said. They were calling for a blanket ban of everyone using mods, as in players being permanently removed from the game by Square-Enix. No mention was made of anyone quitting.

I do think you're gravely underestimating the number of people that would quit if mods were somehow defeated, however. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough to make the game a good bit less lucrative than it is. ...And considering FFXIV and the mobile games are about the only things keeping SE alive right now, that probably isn't in their best interest.

I would encourage everyone who is in support of them adding an anti-cheat to look up Denuvo, which is the anti-cheat and anti-tamper software Square has used for most of its other titles. Denuvo has a number of claims against them for causing performance issues with games. It has been reported to cause excessive writing operations which can significantly reduce the lifespan of SSDs and also to have incredibly high CPU usage.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Reread what the person I am responding to said. They were calling for a blanket ban of everyone using mods, as in players being permanently removed from the game by Square-Enix. No mention was made of anyone quitting.

I do think you're gravely underestimating the number of people that would quit if mods were somehow defeated, however. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough to make the game a good bit less lucrative than it is. ...And considering FFXIV and the mobile games are about the only things keeping SE alive right now, that probably isn't in their best interest.

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And unlike them I am realistic in my entertaining of the possibility that the blockage happens. There will almost certainly be advance warning of it, system itself most likely will just block usage of existing mods rather than be about punishing players for using them and those that manage to modify the game anyway will be treated no different than they are now - innocent until proven guilty. And even there, it will probably go down the usual rung of starting with lightest punishments like warnings.

Thing is, people in this thread doomsay a lot about 'if mods are blocked SO MANY people will quit the game' and I cant help but think of how far up in the clouds the heads of those that think that that many people will actually quit the game over it must be.

And all the talks of intrusive anti-cheats are silly as well. SE's game is bare naked in terms of most basic protection. They can make game much more anti-mod by just upping the security of the game without need to scan systems of users for other programs and files. But it'd be a giant undertaking of fundamental level of the spaghetti and sticks the game is built on, which is the true main reason thats so unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

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You and your reasonable reply!

I like to think of it this way, without a system to combat mods, SE *has* to be all or nothing.

If they ever decide to implement a system to combat problematic mods this will allow SE the flexibility to officially allow mods they feel that contribute to the game in a positive way.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

Not to take sides too hard here, but regardless of how many people use mods, I genuinely think you're severely overestimating amount of people who would be willing to permanently quit the game over the blockage. In fact, Id say among those who use them, only superminority actually has their enjoyment of the game RELY on the mods, rather than just being enhanced by them. An annoyingly loud minority, but a minority nevertheless.

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I'd say easily 1 out of every 3 players is using some kind of mod/plugin whether it be data type stuff or graphical. I know the RP community religiously uses bubble chat addons and they are a extremely large population of players in this game.

Anyone notice that only players already using mods are pro mod, according to the latest statement you should be punished period, no grey areas, no mod whatsoever is allowed, go back and read the last statement from yoshi, he does not allow any mods.
It's a shame we cannot use this thread to start banning the people already using mods.
And if square stops doing shitty mobile titles and concentrates more on xiv, even better.
If the game has to go under to stop all the mods, so be it, it has been a wonderful 9 year journey without mods.

I personally wouldn't care though getting a program that wouldn't just have a work around done is a effort in futility I would much rather they clearly state you may use addons that adjust looks aka shader injections like reshade or whatever it is called and sure allow a damage meter or even put on in by default but if your caught using an addon like this it's just a perma ban not stop no appeals though if there not going to budge to allow some things then sure go for it I wouldn't mind.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I do think you're gravely underestimating the number of people that would quit if mods were somehow defeated, however. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough to make the game a good bit less lucrative than it is. ...And considering FFXIV and the mobile games are about the only things keeping SE alive right now, that probably isn't in their best interest.

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Quit and go where? Back to world of Warcraft? Twitter? Tumblr? Sims 4?
People will stomp their feet. Cry online somewhere. Then realize there aren’t really any options. Most who quit will return when there’s nowhere else to go

Fact of it all is, any and all mods are against ToS. It's not right. It defeats the integrity of the experience for everyone that matters: the people who share yoshi's value and sentiment toward clearing content through fair and natural trial and error.

DBM ruined WoW, cactbot and other mods are ruining FFXIV. I really hope that the FFXIV team does the right thing and brings the hammer down hard, instead of doing what WoW did and making the game into mechanic overload vomit because it's too easy any other way with the way addons work. WoW is a really really weird feeling game when you don't have addons installed. FFXIV feels proper without addons. Please preserve the integrity of this experience. It must not be lost on people who want to take the easy route through life.

I'm getting some crazy flashbacks to the Windower days.