They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

As long as this game forces enrages to be a thing, it needs a dps meter.
Sorry but a savage fight isn't clearable with a freestyle samurai and cure 1 whm

Either that, or force completion of stone sea and sky to even be able to enter that fight

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

I think you'll then see groups saying they require *SET BATTLE RATING* and a screenshot, which would change the screening of groups that are looking for certain people who can perform at said level. Even if you yourself can only see it, it's still going to be problematic and not really change the state of things if we throw in a damage meter - it'll just be a bit more difficult than merely denoting The Site That Shall Not Be Named. This screen at the least won't cause griefing, but it'll still be stigmatizing for finding a group if your score isn't high enough.

I forgot to add this before I posted, but people over-emphasize numerical values. I think if we were to take this screen, we should only display how many Stars as a Battle Rating for how well you did instead of numbers, because people love high numbers and always require a threshold if they are looking for certain parameters.

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Ah yes, the horror of wanting to play with others of comparable skill level. How dare they.

And yeah, fflogs.com. There, I said it.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Ah yes, the horror of wanting to play with others of comparable skill level. How dare they.

And yeah, fflogs.com. There, I said it.

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You realize gaming community in general sucks at interpreting data? Hell most probably can't even properly read those provided by fflogs.com There's a reason why blindly following Meta is about as damaging to the game as exact opposite. Yes it was exaggeration but WoW and especially Classic was especially bad with this. With game being pretty much solved there legitimately were people barring non meta builds from groups even if all it did was speeding up the run by at most couple minutes.

Ultimately there's only one thing I can tell with certain degree of confidence. If you can't improve without damage tracker and only damage tracker then you won't improve with it.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

You realize gaming community in general sucks at interpreting data? Hell most probably can't even properly read those provided by fflogs.com There's a reason why blindly following Meta is about as damaging to the game as exact opposite. Yes it was exaggeration but WoW and especially Classic was especially bad with this. With game being pretty much solved there legitimately were people barring non meta builds from groups even if all it did was speeding up the run by at most couple minutes.

Ultimately there's only one thing I can tell with certain degree of confidence. If you can't improve without damage tracker and only damage tracker then you won't improve with it.

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Cool. It's their party. They can have an all lala or all hroth party or any other arbitrary restriction. No one is entitled to be in a party and if someone wants certain jobs just let them do it and make your own.

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Originally Posted by Kirundo

I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.

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M+ they don't use logs or DPS numbers, they use IO scores which is determined by keystone clears. IO also will record raid kills as well and will show you a person main's IO information if they are on an alt.

In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.

Actually private would have to be the only option. Simply because people would question you not having it set to public which would lead to toxicity which is what they are trying to avoid.

ACT still exists so an official damage meter wouldnt really solve anything especially since ACT provides so much information than SE would provide if one was implemented.

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.

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Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.

The only thing hiding the numbers does is prevent a very specific type of "elitist" toxicity from happening. Being proud of not knowing how your job works? Complaining about "elitists"? Those types of toxicity are totally fine.

I'm not sure what kind of toxicity is being "prevented" by hiding numbers. It just encourages the passive-aggression that the GCBTW really loves and pretends isn't toxic at all.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.

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For Raids sure, for M+ not so much since there exist a level of strategy in M+ completion is captured by logs, its easier to utilize IO as a mean to determine who you want for a group.

While it would be good for analysis, the issue is that the casual player base either will A) not understand said information or B) ignore it out of spite due to the already cultivated culture that surrounds the game. Just like how you can't remove DPS meter from WoW, you can't add DPS meters to FF14.

If anything, I'd rather just allow for ACT and expand the API for more robust information to be collected via ACT while keeping current rules regarding talking about logs, parses, or DPS values.

Since the topic will not go anywhere as both sides (myself included) are too bullheaded to budge even an inch... I'll just leave with this one thought.

Riddle me this. What are the reasons for low DPS? If you can answer this then you know what to look for when you want to improve.