Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

Honestly i can careless if ppl try to shame me. Its proof they lack any form of intellegence and need this infantile level of writing to enjoy the story cause there is no way ppl are ok with how dumb down the story is...like the kid with the lighting disease infliction on his aether is still bed ridden and we literally have a cure for that....oh we honna focus on the train screw that kid..ok

Seriously no wonder modern games struggle with story telling....ppl so brain dead its easy to feed them garbo...gone are the days of shadow bringer if DT is the start of new story Im fearing 8.0 is gonna be worse story telling. God help etheryis.

Need this thread again lmfao, this game's playerbase is wild

That's an opposite extreme.

I don't believe in story skips because I believe it lowers the scope of a game that is supposed to EXPAND with each EXPANSION.

But I'm not gonna shame people if they are just here to raid or hang out with their friends and don't care about the story.

I want people to enjoy this game their own way. I'm not gonna shame or make people feel like they are playing the game the "wrong way"

Is Roleplay the right way to play? Home decorating? Raiding?

We cannot say because the answers are different for everyone. I won't harass people for being different - mutual respect and understanding, the olive branch wins more hearts than the sword.
If words can carry venom, then our empathy can be the antidote.

I'm fine with that - as long as we can also stop to shame people who don't like the battle content.

I'll openly shame anyone who complains about the game not catering to them because they happen to dislike major parts of it. So, for instance, I consider story skipping fine, but if someone then whines about how there is nothing to do on a story patch, that's on them. Similarly, someone who doesn't engage with the core gameplay (the combat, tied into the story) does not get to complain about the game not catering to them, either. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

That's an opposite extreme.

I don't believe in story skips because I believe it lowers the scope of a game that is supposed to EXPAND with each EXPANSION.

But I'm not gonna shame people if they are just here to raid or hang out with their friends and don't care about the story.

I want people to enjoy this game their own way. I'm not gonna shame or make people feel like they are playing the game the "wrong way"

Is Roleplay the right way to play? Home decorating? Raiding?

We cannot say because the answers are different for everyone. I won't harass people for being different - mutual respect and understanding, the olive branch wins more hearts than the sword.
If words can carry venom, then our empathy can be the antidote.

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Why gatekeep others from story skips though?

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

I'll openly shame anyone who complains about the game not catering to them because they happen to dislike major parts of it. So, for instance, I consider story skipping fine, but if someone then whines about how there is nothing to do on a story patch, that's on them. Similarly, someone who doesn't engage with the core gameplay (the combat, tied into the story) does not get to complain about the game not catering to them, either. That is all.

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This makes no sense considering every patch (other than .00) has like maybe 5 hours of story max.

I can understand people wanting to join their friends to raid immediately and getting a skip, it also doesn't seem too uncommon for someone to want to go back and play through the story later from just wanting the context for the fights too. I've found you can't really get people into a story without them actually being interested in it. It's comparable to a reading assignment at that point.

If they complain about the difficulty after skipping they deserve every bit of shame they get though.

As someone who (except DT) really enjoyed the story from ARR all the way to the end of Endwalker:
I completely understand why the story is off-putting for some, especially in the latter parts of EW where

the plot armor gets absolutely ludicrous, bad things only ever happen to newly introduced characters, and all tension is sucked from the story.

People enjoy games for different reasons, and though FF's main draw is story, I don't get the elitism with people demanding people enjoy the story.
What if someone just wants to do deep dungeons and roulettes, or enjoy grinding exploration zones or sitting around crafting? You can be in a game and just enjoy the gameplay and vibes.

The shaming vastly diminished over the years, it used to be much worse. To the point of nearly making you public enemy #1 if you did not appreciated the story.
Which is funny, because stories appeal to people for different reasons. As an example, I genuine think the peak of XIV storytelling was at Heavensward; and Heavensward was genuine quite 'above than average'.

Shadowbringers, funny enough, was when I started to genuine dislike XIV narrative.
But it is fairly simple as to why: I do not like stories where I am a Chosen One/Special Nugget that is the sole salvation for us all.

The moment the narrative becomes such a thing, the world around the game turns shallow. NPCs that are not the main cast are slowly "dumbfied" for the sake of the protagonists, everyone seem to be incompetent so you can feel as a Hero, and no one ever stands up against you, never save you, never do anything to help you in a way that your character could not handle alone.

...And I do not like that. And I saw A LOT of that from Shadowbringers and forward. It takes away the appeal to me from being part of this fantastic world, of appreciating NPCs being innovative for the sake of the cast around me always getting a spotlight, even if I care about them or not. But that's just what appeals to me, and me alone. Just, the lack of conflict and vulnerability feels incredibly jarring to me.

Which is funny, because what made me truly appreciate the Shadowbringers Expansion, was Bozja narrative. I absolutely ate that with joy, because that side-story hit all the themes I was looking for within a story. Most of the times that the WoL has to do a side-narrative away from the Main Cast and away from the Main Entropic Existence-Erasing Threat level, the narrative tends to be *absolutely* better. Arcadion was another example of a story that was genuine much more compelling than most of the MSQ itself.

BUT. It is what it is, it is an overall good story with many people that love it.
They should just tone down a notch and understand that it's not a narrative perfection. It's not having someone try to ruin it for them, it's acknowledge that the story is not for everyone and has many glaring negative points too.
It shouldn't ruin your enjoyment to understand that people have different opinions and tastes, and even less bring some sort of "I should defend the MSQ because I deeply love it" thought.

Just go: "Yeah, sounds about right." and move on. Everyone's happy.