Is Fordola the monster Lyse says she is?

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Originally Posted by Jyera

I admit I am very confused where you were going with this.

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It's a never-ending argument, that one, straw-man or whatever, disregard it please. Sorry about that.
Just focus on the "saving the world in multiple ways" part. At any rate though, it's a complicated matter, the devs are trying to make everyone happy with a general-scenario, and good for them, but player-expectations are high and player types vary, they will have to be more flexible and more adaptable in handling the construction of future content so everyone can be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

But what if some of us don't actually want to save the world ourselves, and just want to sit in a house, drink tea, manage supplies and equipment for someone else who does? What if I know myself not worthy of being the hero?

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this is very easy, it's how you deal with every Final Fantasy game. you're not Cecil, Bartz, Terra, Cloud, Ramza, Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Vaan, Lightning or Noctis, you're just experiencing a world/story from their perspective. nothing says you have to be the Warrior of Light either, it's just some guy/girl.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

this is very easy, it's how you deal with every Final Fantasy game. you're not Cecil, Bartz, Terra, Cloud, Ramza, Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Vaan, Lightning or Noctis, you're just experiencing a world/story from their perspective. nothing says you have to be the Warrior of Light either, it's just some guy/girl.

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But I find that a bit hard to do in FFXIV for obvious reasons such as the game purposefully putting you, and your customized character, in the shoes of the hero. And somehow I'm not experiencing this world as well as I did for other worlds, from the perspectives of main characters in other Final Fantasy games. Perhaps ... I'm just not very good at experiencing, but I always have this feeling they experienced their worlds much better than I do.

And thus in terms of pure experience, FFXIV does not quite compete with the other traditional Final Fantasy games. It's just a niche for people who want to try out the WoL concept in first-person.

(Edit: It's probably just me though. I liked Witcher 3 more because there was already a main character. Mass Effect 2 was ok because Shepard was more or less a preset personality as well. But Skyrim was just a bit weird, as it was first-person without a preset main character. So I do find it easier to enjoy the story when I don't bring my own prejudices into it, when I'm not playing it as "myself".)

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

[T]he devs are trying to make everyone happy with a general-scenario, and good for them, but player-expectations are high and player types vary, they will have to be more flexible and more adaptable in handling the construction of future content so everyone can be satisfied.

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Just gonna leave this here...

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...32978047a8.jpg

Well, the 4.1 trailer seems to show us Echoing in Fordola's memories so hmmmmm

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Same material, but wildly different and opposing opinion. Who would have thunk, eh?

This also lies at the heart of my fierce annoyance with players like you who keep insisting that Lyse is horribly written character. As I've argued before, that's just a matter of fundamental differences in interpretation of her character development, and not actually a fair review of the effort taken to write her character in Stormblood.

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Excuse me? I find Lyse is badly written, at the very least I do not enjoy her presence, which was clearly the intentions of the devs by having her shadow us throughout most of the MSQ. But what is this "players like you?"

I found her untrustworthy in the beginning with her 'reveal', and childish, not in the "Yda just being Yda" sort of way, but as a liability that could cause problems. She regularly demonstrates that she is not a capable leader, , even with her soundboard of eyerolling political platitudes, "Let's make a nation for everyone!" "If only we relied on each other, and not the gods!" "You don't get to speak about freedom!", yet Conrad chooses her. I, as the reader, do not buy it. That the writers tried really hard to make her likeable, does not mean I have to like her or enjoy her presence.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Just gonna leave this here...

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...32978047a8.jpg

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I'm just suggesting they keep doing what they have always done; learn what was overlooked, design ways to overcome, and improve. It is unlikely we can "satisfy everyone's needs", but there are ways to ensure "everyone is [feeling] satisfied", in general.

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

I'm just suggesting they keep doing what they have always done; learn what was overlooked, design ways to overcome, and improve. It is unlikely we can "satisfy everyone's needs", but there are ways to ensure "everyone is [feeling] satisfied", in general.

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No there is not sadly have you not heard of mankind or the internet?

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Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka

I'm just suggesting they keep doing what they have always done; learn what was overlooked, design ways to overcome, and improve. It is unlikely we can "satisfy everyone's needs", but there are ways to ensure "everyone is [feeling] satisfied", in general.

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Wants are boundless; resources are finite.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

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I like Lyse and enjoyed her growth so far, but she's yet to really stumble about and learn from a mistake proper, making her accomplishments feel like writing convenience. I'm fully expecting some kind of Emmanulain (sp?) sort of screw-up coming soon. In fact, maybe her choice to keep Fordola alive to face the fact Garlemald lost??

But, anyway, as example, Alphinaud is one of my favorite characters because of how he transformed into a much better person during HW post the Crystal Braves implosion. Yet, I never, at any point, understood why Alisaie, who had so little screentime and was nothing but "sassy girl," had such a huge fandom while Alphy had so much hate.

It goes both ways.