Please do something about mentor roulette instant-leaves

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

If a mentor goes into mentor roulette and leaves I believe the penalty should be harsher. The entire point of that status is to help improve others, by leaving at the start of the run you're not doing what the system was intended for.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

The point of the status to help improve new player skill by offering advice and answering questions.

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"Introduced in patch 3.2, Mentor Roulette allows mentors to join duties that are struggling to find members. Players can earn exclusive achievements from participating in this roulette.

Players using this Roulette must be level 60 and have at least an average item level of 230." -https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Duty_Roulette

You're not doing what the role of a mentor is supposed to do IF YOU JOIN AND LEAVE. Improving player skill also means EXPLAINING DUNGEONS AND MECHANIC.

I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

You're not doing what the role of a mentor is supposed to do IF YOU JOIN AND LEAVE.

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Literally nowhere in what you quoted does it say we're not allowed to leave an instance. It just says it's there to supplement queues, and I explained before why even insta-leaving might actually help with that. If leaving the Mentor roulette was truly against SE's policy, the button would have been disabled - alas, it is not, ergo.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

Mentor status should never have had any rewards, not even the crown by the character name. People who want to help will help regardless, but incentivizing mentoring via rewards just brings in the bad people.

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While some say it's bad I see the rewards as a benefit to mentors who had no reason to join the mentor roulette in the first place, I know I didn't till they added them cause I had much more important things to do then do dungeons for tomes I didn't need. Mentors do have their own agenda's to follow and are not anyone's personal slave to command. The rewards got my butt in there and I helped/carried/taught/argued with a lot of people but I mostly got shown disrespect for helping so a lot of Mentors are not very advice giving/helping unless asked first.

Also on topic as a mentor who helps and is more friendly on some days rather then others I do leave if I did get a dungeon/EX in mentor roulette that I just didn't have the energy/time for. I would tell myself "Ok one more alex, guildhest, primals before I head out/sleep/work/ect. so while they thought I might have left due to not wanting to be there it was just that I had my reasons for needing to leave but I would at least explain to them first. I get mad a mentors who act selfish tho by afking or asking for a kick rather then taking the penalty but that is rare from what i've seen. Also im not a tank/healer so I am easily replaced when I did leave.

I would like to see the mentor system tho have stricter requirements to become a mentor, to many fakes wearing the crowns.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Improving player skill also means EXPLAINING DUNGEONS AND MECHANIC.

I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.

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Actually explaining dungeons and mechanics has nothing to do with improving player skill. Rotations, class roles, situational awareness, cooldown usage, and the like are player skill. Telling people to eat fruit at X stacks in Aurum Vale doesn't make me a mentor. Telling the WHM to try to keep regens up to counter act the DoT or use Divine Seal to increase the power of their Medicas does or recommending the WAR pairs Vengeance with Beserk+Bloodbath+Overpower at the beginning of big pulls or when the BRD should play a particular song.

Also I can't think of many dungeons that actually need an explanation of mechanics and if you queue up for an EX Primal you should probably read at least a text guide/ a summary of the boss's abilities.

I wonder how many mentors are doing it only for a mount and will never touch it again after 2,000 roulettes.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I don't get why people latch onto the daily bonus for this. We need 2000 of the suckers - no one is farming the mentor roulette just the one time a day. The bonus is irrelevant when dealing with this particular roulette.

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Because the bigger problem isnt that mentors are leaving instances they got in mentor-roulette but rather people leaving any dungeon they got by using one of the other roulettes. And then the daily-bonus matters. I'm not saying that mentors dont drop out in mentor roulette and that it doesnt suck (specially when it happens with an EX-primal for example its a lot worse than just someone leaving Sastasha), but the majority of drop-outs is most likely happening because someone got an annoying dungeon for their lowlevel-roulette or something like that - and those are mostly done for the bonus, so losing it would help to make people stay.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

I wonder how many mentors are doing it only for a mount and will never touch it again after 2,000 roulettes.

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The majority. There is very little reason to queue for that roulette other than the achievement award tiers.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Because the bigger problem isnt that mentors are leaving instances they got in mentor-roulette but rather people leaving any dungeon they got by using one of the other roulettes.

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And I agree, in general, but this thread is about this roulette in particular, and a lot of people are blaming Mentors even when, like you said, it was either not a mentor, or not from this roulette. Therefore, the daily bonus isn't as big a deal, within this context. Then again, if the phenomenon decreases, it might improve our reputation so threads like this stop and people are less out for Mentor blood. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let the requirement for the mount be 2,000 commendations in mentor roulette and maybe things changes.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Let the requirement for the mount be 2,000 commendations in mentor roulette and maybe things changes.

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You do know people just don't give out comms, even if we mentors give them help/advice. That would be insane.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

You do know people just don't give out comms, even if we mentors give them help/advice. That would be insane.

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Also force people to play tanks or healers. Not only is that still not a guarantee, a lot of us prefer not to, and would further deter people from running the roulette.