I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

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Originally Posted by Brundlefly

Correction: 15 second recast timers, which is the same as empyreal arrow base. With some skill speed, empyreal arrow does drop time off CD. Also WM would be back up in time for refreshing DoTs with Iron Jaws. Rotation now is a bit difficult, but practice makes perfect.

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Thanks, I grabbed that recast time from memory (which was apparently faulty).

But it just seems like a little bit of a stance dance now instead of having to choose between using it or not.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

well see this what a good bard looks like :) you even agreed

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DUMMIES have no mechanics/Aoes you need to dodge. Dodging = dps loss
Take a closer look at the ONLY two things he is using as he runs. Heavy shot and Straight Shot - because they are useable any time.
HOWEVER the new meat shots, Empyreal Arrow and Iron Jaws can only be cast when motionless.

Your arguement is invalid.
Nice vid though

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

he not a great bard

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Just to clear this up because some people seem to be misinformed. This is the original thread from where those videos came from.

I don't think the guy claimed to be the best, so don't bash him for that. Moreso, the point of me posting the video was because I thought it looked really cool to show and also to possibly give insight to those who do not know how Wanderer's Minuet looks like in action. Didn't think people would claim otherwise. That's the FFXIV forums for you, I guess.

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

DUMMIES have no mechanics/Aoes you need to dodge. Dodging = dps loss
Nice vid though

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Which effects every other class as well. The Archer/Bard was the abnormality. Prior to 52, Bard max Stationary DpS and max Mobile (i.e. Dodging) DpS is the same. Post 52, Bard max is Stationary DpS is theoretically higher the max Mobile DpS.

Consider Alexander Floor 4 (A4). Outside of being Quarantined, a properly positioned ranged DpS might never need to move during the fight. That is a substantial DpS increase for casters and theoretically an increase in DpS for BRD/MCH using WM/GB.

I wasn't expecting this thread to blow up, but now that it has I can see a lot of people share the same concern.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Good lord no. If you want that, go play WoW. Marksmen Hunters literally have exactly what you want and its bloody terrible there.

The cast time is fine.
Learn to play.

If you hate it so much then just turn off Minuet and keep doing crap 2.x style dps.

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The cast time is fine, this is not a "learn2play" issue please don't make remarks like that. This is a "personal preference" on the Job and quite frankly I never rolled a BRD with the mindset that I would be casting my core abilities, as mentioned in my OP If i wanted cast bars, I would have rolled a caster.

I can totally agree/understand MCH having this mechanic but I don't understand how Bard can go from YEARS of playing the same way to now suddenly being forced to be a bow-mage.

It isn't right, it feels COMPLETELY wrong. If I wanted to play BLM I WOULD HAVE PLAYED BLM.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Here's something I cooked up a couple of days ago for the other bard thread. Far from perfect and some may even hate it, but I like to think it tries to keep ARR bard gameplay intact while adding to it.

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Jumping on it now. Even if a work in progress, I'm sure it's in a helpful direction. Thanks, Duelle.

Edit: Interesting, but while I'm usually one to complain that a lot of the new abilities are really nothing more than traits that take up extra bar space, I do feel like I'd miss the EA and IJ abilities (or, abilities in their place) with WM covering so many level-ups. I like the options that it could give us, but at the same time, I'm afraid just as many people would be turned off by the weaving of Invocation as weaving movement in WM. Others may also be turned off by the CDs it places on our support (via I-song lockouts, unless that was supposed to read as the Invoke-effect on those songs can't be used again for 2 min, instead of the songs themselves?).

EditofEdit: I apologize if I'm seeming critical of your contribution in any way without contributing myself; it's just that my ideas are still a ways behind in development. I'm mostly focusing on the support aspects that I feel can or should have personal dps significance as well. I haven't gone so far as to remove Wanderer's Minuet, though (as horrible a name as that is for a turret stance, lol), since I honestly do like playing chicken with AoEs when in WM... (probably more than I should but with virtually no hits taken outside of lag spikes).

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I can totally agree/understand MCH having this mechanic but I don't understand how Bard can go from YEARS of playing the same way to now suddenly being forced to be a bow-mage.

It isn't right, it feels COMPLETELY wrong. If I wanted to play BLM I WOULD HAVE PLAYED BLM.

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I love you! Look guys, there's someone who understands our plight! No seriously, seeing this statement from a non-Bard player who have the ability to understand what some Bard players here are trying to tell everyone, is like a breathe of fresh Churning Mist air.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

I love you! Look guys, there's someone who understands our plight! No seriously, seeing this statement from a non-Bard player who have the ability to understand what some Bard players here are trying to tell everyone, is like a breathe of fresh Churning Mist air.

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Exactly my point, people have taken this playstyle preference and used my argument as a "learn2play" issue or a "min/max dps" issue... when that's FAR from the case. Fact is, Square gave us a class and then completely changed its playstyle... that's not fair.

I do not want to be a cut-rate caster I want to play as a BRD as I have done for the last 2 years.