Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

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Originally Posted by Jacost

snipped to save character space, apparently SE needs to fix this whole editing malarkey.

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I remember in the beta of ARR that there were complaints about 1.0 legacy players having an "advantage" over others because they got to keep their stuff and character data, when in the end it didn't matter because they didn't get to keep their relics and stuff and had to do quests all over again anyway and no level cap increase after 3 years.
People also wanted 1.0 characters deleted so that they wouldn't feel "Left out" of "cool content".


Thing is... It didn't matter in the end because everyone is level capped.

People crying that this whole wedding thing is advantegous for those that buy the upgrade:

In the end:
You're still getting married and none of it will matter anymore.

/THREAD

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Originally Posted by Roris

No one is arguing it's not exactly the same.

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Pretty sure that that's exactly what Edelis is doing.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Again, the qualms are about the transparency of how the cash shop stuff is being handled, especially moving forward.

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And like I've said, we are in agreement on that point.

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Originally Posted by Jacost

First, I'd point out that the digital download version of the CE, and the mogstation upgrade, only carry the ingame stuff. Yet people bought it anyway. The physical package is even more expensive, and one could even argue that the physical loot is itself like a cash shop bonus.

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Yeah, i know. Thats why it's silly. But, hey, at least the in-game stuff isn't eternally exclusive.

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Second, how on earth is the Sleipnir mount a "super special ride" while the Coeurl mount has "a practical purpose for existing"? They're both exclusive mounts, and they both move at the same damn speed as the normal mounts. Literally the only thing the CE gives that's "practical" is the one-time-password token (which is the main reason I got it), and that only comes with the physical edition. The digital version is equivalent to getting stuff off the cash shop.

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Ohh my god, didn't we go through this already?

Why are we back to discussing CE vs. Cash Shop? Has it not already been established how fundamentally different it was?

Haven't many people already brought up how nobody complains about CE content?

So why are we pretending that they're the same thing when they're clearly not?

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

In the end:
You're still getting married and none of it will matter anymore.

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People with the gold/platinum plan will still have the two person mount, people with standard still won't. Until they give people a way to obtain a two person mount in game, this will continue to matter.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

And people have a two person mount exploiting the recruitment campaign.
Your point being?

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My point being, that, as long as SE refuse to give people an in-game way of obtaining a 2-person mount, people will be angry every time a new way to obtain one with real life cash is offered.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

People with the gold/platinum plan will still have the two person mount, people with standard still won't. Until they give people a way to obtain a two person mount in game, this will continue to matter.

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And people have a two person mount exploiting the recruitment campaign.
Your point being?

People cried that they wanted to get MARRIED no one gave a rat's ass about the mounts or minions until they found out that if they paid a minimal fee for extra fluff, they'd get it.

So is this feature about the actual ceremony that people wanted or the additional fluff that makes the entire ceremony a secondary thought?

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

And people have a two person mount exploiting the recruitment campaign.
Your point being?

People cried that they wanted to get MARRIED no one gave a rat's ass about the mounts or minions until they found out that if they paid a minimal fee for extra fluff, they'd get it.

So is this feature about the actual ceremony that people wanted or the additional fluff that makes the entire ceremony a secondary thought?

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Because its the recruitment campaign. Again, not the same. It's a reward for getting someone else to play the game. Understandable. Plus, i dont have to pay extra.

Marriage though, is a feature, for players who have (likely) put alot of time into the game, touted as a feature, yet cut in half by a pay wall solely for the sake that they can.


I should note, i really don't give a shit about in-game marriage or any of the stuff in the cash shop, so i really don't care that it exists. I'm only disagreeing with the "reasons" people are saying its somehow different from other situations, because if by chance i did give a shit about marriage, i'd be really pissed off.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Because its the recruitment campaign. Again, not the same.

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Someone is paying $30 for a mount that the recruiter gets that they won't.
Unless that person is also the recruited.

So you're telling me that people will whine about something that's bought as an upgrade through a cash shop, but not a $24 horse, or a $30 chocobo?

This community is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

And people have a two person mount exploiting the recruitment campaign.
Your point being?

People cried that they wanted to get MARRIED no one gave a rat's ass about the mounts or minions until they found out that if they paid a minimal fee for extra fluff, they'd get it.

So is this feature about the actual ceremony that people wanted or the additional fluff that makes the entire ceremony a secondary thought?

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Thats a lie, in fact, the first 2 people mount was announced and has been marketing for the whole thing since the very begining.

And is 2 completely diferent things, the rewards for a collector edition or a recruiting campaing are completely fine, they are good in fact, and they don`t divide ingame experiences. The marriage on the other hand... Is 2 and possible 3 diferente experiences for players depending on how much they are willying to pay and thats bad. Period.

Now, if you, as many more white knights, belive that marriage is just vanity and optional and the only true game is to level and get gear. The recruiting campaing gives an exp bonus up to lvl 25 to characters, thats pay2win actually.

And this has never been about the mount or minions. Even if the paid version would just add more detail to the cutscenes with any other change, that would still be completely wrong. Dividing content into free and premium is wrong, thats the point.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Second, the point you're failing to see is, if the devs only wanted to tell you an awesome story, they could have just cut out the programmers, sound directors, hired Yoshida for some cover art and sold a novel. But they didn't they made an entire game.

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Heh, I'll separate it from the rest so that you can't ignore it this time

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Devs create a game. They make it with an objective in mind, which is telling a story, creating challenging raids, etc etc

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THEY DO CREATE A GAME FOR WHAT IT IS. And it's, well... a game. Telling a story, letting you play all the way to the end. But in the end, it's still a story. In this case with dungeons and raids (so playable content). In Tekken (example) there are fights thrown in between. Still gives a story to us.

I will admit that you willingfully ignore the point brought to you, namely the fact that a game purpose (set by devs) and a product purpose (set by marketting) aren't the same, even though they may go along the same lines (people playing)

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Originally Posted by Roris

Yes, people still buy digital CEs anyway because they either like collecting stuff or to support the game and company, and yes that's still fine. Again, the qualms are about the transparency of how the cash shop stuff is being handled, especially moving forward.

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Noone is arguing that or so I believe. Transparency is the key and the reason why people felt cheated.

Though on the point that was being made, CE in its digital form is no different from CS except the "evolving bundle" concept, and yet noone even complains. When people are *still* crying over the exact same service, which is the sale of exclusive minions for extra fees. Hypocrisy at its finest, as 2 services that are exactly the same (digital only goodies for extra fees) get a different treatment.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

And is 2 completely diferent things, the rewards for a collector edition or a recruiting campaing are completely fine, they are good in fact, and they don`t divide ingame experiences. The marriage on the other hand... Is 2 and possible 3 diferente experiences for players depending on how much they are willying to pay and thats bad. Period.

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Trolling hard here ? CE or referral program is "2 and possible 3 diferente experiences for players depending on how much they are willying to pay" but that's fine, while the exact same thing (your own words) for marriage is bad ? get real.
CE gives you extra features for paying more. Referral does that too in a lesser extent (someone else pays for YOU to get the mount). They DO give different experience depending on how much you're willing to pay.

You may want to review your point or admit you just ran out of arguments and started saying nonsense. (I sure hope for the first option)

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Now, if you, as many more white knights, belive that marriage is just vanity and optional and the only true game is to level and get gear. The recruiting campaing gives an exp bonus up to lvl 25 to characters, thats pay2win actually.

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CE does the same. P2W mate, P2W
oh but wait, CE is perfectly fine. Np
/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

And this has never been about the mount or minions. Even if the paid version would just add more detail to the cutscenes with any other change, that would still be completely wrong. Dividing content into free and premium is wrong, thats the point.

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are you wanting the feature for the fluff or the ceremony ?

=> want it for the ceremony : why the heck do you give a fuck about all that ?
=> want it for fluff : the feature was never made for you in the first place, Yoshida himself said that he wanted the EB to be RP only
=> don't want it : why the heck do you give a fuck about all that ?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Ohh my god, didn't we go through this already?

Why are we back to discussing CE vs. Cash Shop? Has it not already been established how fundamentally different it was?

Haven't many people already brought up how nobody complains about CE content?

So why are we pretending that they're the same thing when they're clearly not?

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You presented a weak argument that convinced no-one, so no, it is not "established". People bring up that no-one complained about CE to point out the hypocrisy in now complaining about the cash shop when it's exactly the same.