The Black Mage Rotations

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Originally Posted by Youmu

No, you dont flare with full mana. You use it at the end of your rotation with a swiftcast (hard casting not worth it for ST), since at 251 piety you will have 300 mana left over after your 5th fire, every time. Also consider the following - Firestarter procs on your 5th fire, you go into your bliz/thunder downtime, transpose and use the proc for 70% full damage... or you can use that swiftcast for another flare, keep Astral 3 up, and deal full damage with your proc after the flare, then transpose.

Its very easy to tell which is superior, in practice and theory.

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I'm not sure standing and not casting anything for 3 seconds while you wait for a tick of mana after Flare is worth it is what I'm saying. I've tried the rotation and I can't work Flare into the ST rotation in any capacity for a DPS gain.

Its during your umbral regen downtime - you're not losing much there.

It's only worth it to use Swiftcast Flare with Convert or mana potions up as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Synovius

I just did some parsing using this rotation versus the rotation I've outlined. All parses were done for 2 minutes nonstop on 3 targets. I used the DPS dummies in Whitebrim (Coerthas) for these parses. Here are the results:

Rotation: Fire III ==> Fire II (spam) ==> Flare ==> Transpose
Note: Initial Flare of rotation was followed by Convert + a second Flare. This was repeated on CD.
Result 1: 398
Result 2: 387
Result 3: 402

Rotation: Fire III ==> Flare ==> Transpose ==> Blizzard II ==> Blizzard II
Note: Initial Flare of rotation was followed by Convert + a second Flare. This was repeated on CD.
Result 1: 448
Result 2: 456
Result 3: 454

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you say this can be repeated on CD what do you mean? only could down i have is raging strikes and swiftcast i dont understand what ur trying to say

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Originally Posted by lordbraska2

you say this can be repeated on CD what do you mean? only could down i have is raging strikes and swiftcast i dont understand what ur trying to say

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Initial Flare of rotation was followed by Convert + a second Flare. This was repeated on CD.

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Convert is the CD being referenced. He's saying that you can start with
Fire III ==> Flare ==> Convert ==> Flare ==> Transpose ==> Blizzard II ==> Blizzard II
This is a double flare with convert. You can do it whenever convert is off CD.

why would you even do this

fire3-fire2 fire2 till oom is fine is it not? my dps during ak with just that is about 200-250 n that is decent

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Originally Posted by lordbraska2

why would you even do this

fire3-fire2 fire2 till oom is fine is it not? my dps during ak with just that is about 200-250 n that is decent

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Fine? Yea, I guess. It's just not the best. The quote you used in your last post had the OP's test, which included 3 results showing the dps difference between the two rotations.

You can test it yourself and decide. Honestly, I didn't take the OP's word for it when I found this, but after testing I concluded that it was indeed the optimal AoE rotation.

Omitting Fire II always wins out. It's not even that close. I use Fire II only if I'm worried about enmity. So I would use it in AK, but I would use the Flare rotation in WP if the tank can hold hate. It really shines in Turn 4.

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Originally Posted by lordbraska2

why would you even do this

fire3-fire2 fire2 till oom is fine is it not? my dps during ak with just that is about 200-250 n that is decent

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some people strive for more than "decent"

i understand that but they say turn 5 needs 280 min dps. i did normal fire 2 AoE rotation in ak last night and was getting 2-250 dps. only problem with b2 is u have to be in the middle of mobs to do it.

what if you do this
Rotation: Fire III ==> Fire II (spam) ==> Flare ==> Convert ==> Flare ==> Transpose ==> Bliz2

For AOE am I the only one that bliz 3 > flare > flare > transpose > bliz 2 > bliz 2 > flare > flare > transpose...? With the occasional convert/swiftcast flare when available.
The only down time is at the start waiting for bliz 3 mp to tick and after transpose for bliz 2. And if done correctly both flares have 1/2 casting times.