Heals for Scholors need a buff

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Originally Posted by Draemos

There is several tips about how to control your pet in this thread to prevent it from casting unwanted spells while still using embrace. SCH pet control is an issue and unintuitive, but that's THE ISSUE. Not giving you more healing throughput.

Continually comparing Medica II to Succor is just going to get you put on my troll list. It's a nonsense comparison when Succor is obviously a 1:1 copy of Medica I

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Obey does not stop faerie from wasting it

Succor is preemptive healing
Medica 2 can be preemptive healing
You would never ever cast medica on a full hp raid would you? But you would cast succor/medica2 on a full hp raid to prep for aoe damage.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

You are ignoring we have no control over when fairy uses it along. It has a hefty cooldown too. Unreliable and lower numbers that why whm is better atm till SE fix sch.

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You're ignoring several tips about how to control your fairy. Regardless, the issue is pet control. If you want to post about improving that, you'll not see a single complaint from me.

Petitioning to increase your healing throughput when your pet control is the real problem is not something I'm going to support. Mostly because they will probably fix your pet control and then you'll be ridiculously overpowered.

I have said before
obey does not prevent it blowing whispering dawn

Pet dies extremely fast to residual aoe or mob conal. Place is great way to get it killed . Placing it near tank(where there is less residual aoe) will result in a poor aoe radius for whispering dawn. We cannot control pet movement while casting. Expect sch to spend 2 second every xxx to move their pet is 2 second in which tanks are not getting heals. Not affordable in coil.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Obey does not stop faerie from wasting it

Succor is preemptive healing
Medica 2 can be preemptive healing
You would never ever cast medica on a full hp raid would you? But you would cast succor/medica2 on a full hp raid to prep for aoe damage.

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It's irrelevant because you are ignoring your most potent healing spell (which is also preemptive) and Medica IIs peer due to pet issues. Your presenting data in a skewed way to prop up an argument.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

I have said before
obey does not prevent it blowing whispering dawn

Pet dies extremely fast to residual aoe or tank conal. Place is great way to get it killed . Placing it near tank(where there is less residual aoe) will result in a poor aoe radius for whispering dawn. We cannot control pet movement while casting. Expect sch to spend 2 second every xxx to move their pet is 2 second in which tanks are not getting heals.

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I'm pretty sure it's Steady, not Obey. The thing is you have to put her back on Steady after you use an ability, because it flips her switch to active.

Regardless, those are pet control problems. That should be your focus.

So sch is currently inferior to whm in coil because of pet issues. They are unreliable and thus have lower numbers. I was never wrong.

SE can fix this sch inferiority by either fixing our pet control issues or increasing our healing.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

So sch is currently inferior to whm because of pet issues. They are unreliable and thus have lower numbers. I was never wrong. SE can fix this sch inferiority by either fixing our pet control issues or increasing our healing.

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Sure, I'll give you that much. But you should definitely not have your healing increased. The pet control needs to be fixed. You don't patch a hole in the wall by painting over it.

Scholars don't need a buff at all. Players need to learn the fight instead. Stop comparing our raw AOE healing to whm. If you want raw AOE roll a whm . We can prevent so much damage. Steps fo big AOE. Cast covenant, succor, SS, illumination, succor 30% damage reduction plus pre shield with 20% buff. We need a fix not buff. Whispering need slight range increase and auto cast turned off plus pet macros and we are set. If you think we need a buff you are doing it wrong. I do agreed better proc rate on SS would be nice

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We need a fix not buff

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fixes are buffs -.-

Personal opinion, sch only need 2 things:

Option to directly disable pet abilites from auto cast similar to WoW (it was a right click-toggle to turn auto-use for abilities on and off for pets). This needs no explaining as to why.

Medica. Just plain 300 potency AOE heal. Succor alone is just plain bad in practice, since if you're trying to heal multiple people up in any situation without a WHM in the party, it will take the SCH twice as long, and twice the mp to do it, time being the biggest price to pay for succor since the tank has the most damage to worry about.

The following shield isn't a factor in most of these situations if the group isn't taking consecutive hits. Individually healing each person between the fairy, physic, and maybe quick lustrates just feels like it does the job alot better, while succor is only good at efficiently pre-shielding a group. I mean we have the choice between single target heals for sch, and that works very well, yet the lack of alternatives for efficient aoe healing has me playing the triage game with my single target heals when multiple people take heavy damage most of the time, made worse by the fact you have a tank taking consistent damage that needs attention at the same time. In my experience, succor is really that inefficient to use when it comes to time, and MP spent.

A combination of not having a medica (or whatever you want to call a SCH equivalent of it), or simpler pet control makes it so much easier for a SCH to fall behind in 4 person light parties with no WHM to make up for intense group damage. I'm sure no one here needs to be told why Arurum Vale and demon wall are so much harder for any normal SCHs to deal with. Right now, I cannot name a single scenario that normal WHMs would have such an increase in level of difficulty to heal compared to a SCH.

I don't think SCH need any direct number buffs, cure 3s, medica 2s, benedictions, proshells, 18% stoneskins, or anything else WHMs have to their name; they can still have that AOE healing superiority with it. Just a meaningful option for AOE healing when it matters (which would only take as much effort as putting the 'SCH' tag on medica) similar in value to the options SCHs have for single target healing to go along with pet control fixes.

Or at the very least, a succor potency buff would be welcome... 200-250 would be passable.