@Casuals , do you think the message has gotten through?

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Originally Posted by Valence

What do you mean you only use Aquaveil on yourself? Don't sit on your tools when they could benefit your allies, and most of the time it's gonna be the melees ahead that'd beg for one more trump card vs crowd control. Aquaveil also comes with a barrier which can save lives..

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Aquaveil is only usefull when you remove a status effects. Without removing one, the shield absord less than a base attack from most of the DPS and Tanks.
Generally, the others played purify quickly (and some job have also some extra skills for purify, like the Bard), the jobs getting more often status effects are generally the tanks (which love to be in the middle of the enemies group), the solo player (thoses that are only here fro the kill cont and love to be the other side of the maps) etc...

So, in the end, Aquaveil is best used as a personal shield, for many pratical reason.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Aquaveil is only usefull when you remove a status effects. Without removing one, the shield absord less than a base attack from most of the DPS and Tanks.
Generally, the others played purify quickly (and some job have also some extra skills for purify, like the Bard), the jobs getting more often status effects are generally the tanks (which love to be in the middle of the enemies group), the solo player (thoses that are only here fro the kill cont and love to be the other side of the maps) etc...

So, in the end, Aquaveil is best used as a personal shield, for many pratical reason.

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Absorbing 8000 is nothing to scoff at and is the difference between life and death, as every little bit counts. There is also specific moments notably during openers when you know that your frontliners are going to get crowd controlled to death. Even then, while using it on self is perfectly acceptable and can save you, it can also have saved your allies when you decided instead to sit on it when they needed it.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Absorbing 8000 is nothing to scoff at and is the difference between life and death, as every little bit counts. There is also specific moments notably during openers when you know that your frontliners are going to get crowd controlled to death. Even then, while using it on self is perfectly acceptable and can save you, it can also have saved your allies when you decided instead to sit on it when they needed it.

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Sorry but no.... 8000, when a DPS skils turn around 12000 without buff....
While 16000 can make you survive a LB (or against a NIN or SAM).

And, anyway, like i said, Seraph Strike anf Stone Skin are far more than enough for your ally.... because thoses effect doesn't ask for a target.
And, seriously, targeting an ally in PvP is a freaking pain in the ass (for many reasons) and this where the difference between pushing the release buton or not really is.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Absorbing 8000 is nothing to scoff at and is the difference between life and death, as every little bit counts. There is also specific moments notably during openers when you know that your frontliners are going to get crowd controlled to death. Even then, while using it on self is perfectly acceptable and can save you, it can also have saved your allies when you decided instead to sit on it when they needed it.

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Probably depends on whether you are talking about CC or FL. FL? Maybe I will throw it on someone? Maybe... But when you get 6-10+ opponents either focusing or AOEing, that Aquaveil isnt going to make that much of a difference. I'll save it for myself, if I need to exit in a hurry as it might help me escape from a fringe group of enemies.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong by using Aquaveil on another player in FL either. I’d use it to save an ally, especially if I recognize them as a ‘high impact’ player. But that would require me to not place myself in a danger zone too while helping them.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Sorry but no.... 8000, when a DPS skils turn around 12000 without buff....
While 16000 can make you survive a LB (or against a NIN or SAM).

And, anyway, like i said, Seraph Strike anf Stone Skin are far more than enough for your ally.... because thoses effect doesn't ask for a target.
And, seriously, targeting an ally in PvP is a freaking pain in the ass (for many reasons) and this where the difference between pushing the release buton or not really is.

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8000 will stack up with other things. 8000 is the difference in HP between a tank and a ranged physical. 8000 is way more than what you'd typically find in damage balance changes and those can already completely tip the scales for a job. If you expect a 8k barrier to work 100% of the time then no, it won't but perhaps on its own it still will (i've seen it countless times), or if not then in combination to a clutch cure II or Cure III it will. I can also have more niche uses like nullifying a Zantetsuken if you're a good enough healer that can identify potential targets afflicted by Kuzushi, or it may also play into screwing with damage leeching jobs like WAR or SAM when one of their targets suddenly has a shield that will net them 0 self healing.
I don't disagree with the targeting pain, that's also why I don't main healers, this is my biggest annoyance with them.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Probably depends on whether you are talking about CC or FL. FL? Maybe I will throw it on someone? Maybe... But when you get 6-10+ opponents either focusing or AOEing, that Aquaveil isnt going to make that much of a difference. I'll save it for myself, if I need to exit in a hurry as it might help me escape from a fringe group of enemies.

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I am firmly speaking about CC, because pvp is balanced around CC and not FL.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I am firmly speaking about CC, because pvp is balanced around CC and not FL.

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Oh you mean the mode where you are only two peoples escorting the crystal while the 3 others are at the other team respawn?
This is one of the many reasons why Aquaveil is best used as personal shield : most of the time ally are too far or/and hidden by walls.

And when everyone is together... As a WHM you are very often the focus of the other team. (and especially after firing up your LB.... The two shining wings act like a giant target XD).

So yeah, on paper Aquaveil is nice to put on other... But in fact, you use is far more often on you and putting it on others is very secondary.

I thought I'd comment here as my sub runs out either today or tomorrow. I didn't see myself playing FFXIV forever, but it was my ideal game that I've been playing for almost 8 years. I loved crafting, housing, and the occasional combat content. It's not that savage was too difficult, as I can pick up mechanics quickly - it just felt like a second job to have to be part of a static, and don't get me started on how shambolic party finder can be, lol!

I noticed issues since Endwalker, but the story glossed over it all for me. But after playing through DT, I could no longer ignore it. I main AST and I felt the job got gutted over time... housing slots increase taking forever to come, crafting felt like macro simulator and everyone and their grandmas are now doing it...

I held out hope, but the patches are taking longer and longer, and whilst I'm happy for raiders, I have had little to do. Cosmic Exploration was alright, but at this point I'm just so jaded. I may try and keep my house once housing demolition turns back on, although I'm tired of being held hostage by a virtual house!

Hopefully SE can improve, but it feels like they're dead set on mediocrity.

Reading through this, I laughed when someone mentioned anyone can run savage content. I play mostly with my friend and they are definitely on the casual side of things. Last xpac, I got them into normal and alliance raids and even with normal raids, they're on the floor for about 50-75% of the fight every week we go in. They don't complain and I know they're trying their best but savage would be completely beyond them. Hell, they refuse to go back to Jeuno since they usually die so much in that raid.

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Originally Posted by psycosulu

Reading through this, I laughed when someone mentioned anyone can run savage content. I play mostly with my friend and they are definitely on the casual side of things. Last xpac, I got them into normal and alliance raids and even with normal raids, they're on the floor for about 50-75% of the fight every week we go in. They don't complain and I know they're trying their best but savage would be completely beyond them. Hell, they refuse to go back to Jeuno since they usually die so much in that raid.

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If they are dying that much then they need practise! Anyone who puts in effort can do savage. I used to be hyper casual and E9s absoutley broke me, couldn't do the first mechanic.

What did I do? I decided I would practise and come back in endwalker and try again. I have now cleared 5 savage tiers and 2 ultimates one on patch.

It just requires people who are used to having everything handed to them try!! If you people want to just pay sub and win then you need gatcha mobile games