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Originally Posted by Zaene

We shall have to agree to disagree then, my good man. You are entitled to your opinion as am I, I shall not attempt to argue for my opinion seeing as doing so generally just makes everyone else entrench further in their folly. However, I am of the opinion that self-elected Robin Hoods are awesome. You would prefer a "Robin Hood" that was elected by popular vote?

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No, I would prefer people with a constructive and actually useful attitude over glorified thieves :D

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"Intentionally Spreading Negativity" I suppose a great many "Muckrakers" did that as well. The general consensus was they needed to "quiet down". The overarching theme of history at large is people forget the bad things if they're idle enough.

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The small detail you're not noticing is that the forums definitely aren't idle. There are hundreds of posts bursting full with suggestions and requests for changes. So people simply aren not "idle enough". No one here needs a muckracker to tell him that this game needs to evolve, if you didn't notice. Further stirring isn't needed, as much as some are quite evidently convinced that they know better than everyone else.

Sorry mate, this is game development, not politics.

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Also, for someone who loves the tar out of subjectivity a statement such as "Game development needs constructive feedback, and that's what the forums are for." Seems highly suspect. I mean, who am I or who are you to say what these forums are for? Maybe they're to gauge player attitudes? Maybe they're to lighten SE's countenance?

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The rules of the forums establish what these forums are for, as the various developer posts about it. Guess what? they all talk about constructiveness, respect (which includes first and foremost respect for the development team) and similar concepts. There's nothing subjective about that.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

While i do agree single player games wont do anything towards the mmo market, let us not forget that other AAA MMOs are coming soon.

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There are already plenty MMOs on the market, one of which is more dangerous to FFXIV (and to any other) than any other "AAA" MMO out there (quotes obligatory, since only SWTOR is actually classifiable as "AAA", and the sci-fi crowd is quite disjoined from the Final Fantasy one).
There's no ticking clock. As much as other MMOs will influence FFXIV, FFXIV's releases will influence them (if they're good) in turn. That's how the market works.
And none of them will influence the others as much as the sole presence of WoW (and the release of any of it's major patches or expansions) does.

Zkieve, seeing as how you are a rank 50, may I ask your opinion on the current Class system and Battle system?

How do you feel about party tactics? Individuality? Challenge?

Some are of the opinion that being rank 15, I cannot have a valid opinion of battle in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There's no ticking clock. As much as other MMOs will influence FFXIV, FFXIV's releases will influence them (if they're good) in turn. That's how the market works.
And none of them will influence the others as much as the sole presence of WoW (and the release of any of it's major patches or expansions) does.

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So you think loosing a big chunk of what is left on FFXIV population wont matter ?
because lets face it , a good MMO comes out people will go and play it.
Somewhat i find that hard to believe.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

While i do agree single player games wont do anything towards the mmo market, let us not forget that other AAA MMOs are coming soon.

The clock is ticking on ffxiv recovery . Saying otherwise would be just a lie,, to yourself and the community.
in the end there are 4 type of people currently playing .

1 - those who are playing couse is F2P. This type brings no income.
2 -Those who play because for them ffxiv is better than anything else in the market for the time being.
3 -Those who are still on the early stages of the game, hence having fun for some time until they get bored and move on.
4 - those who wont stop playing ffxiv no matter what.


I think 2 and 3 would leave for a good and polished MMO as soon as it comes out unless the recovery processes happens before new releases, wich is unlikely.

1 brings no income , and 4 is to few.

Like i said , time it is runing out .
I wish for the best for this game but realistically speaking the chances to recover are slim.I hope we do recover tough.

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Again, you too are trying to sell your opinion as a fact. What clock are you talking about? There is no clock ticking, at least not for me. What MMOs are you talking about anyway? Guild Wars 2? That one will not be released before 2012. TERA online? Probably will not make 2012 either. What is left?

People should simply look at FFXIV as a beta, until the PS3 version is released. If they release the PS3 version and still have a bad gameplay, no content and not enough subscribers we can talk about a ticking clock. Right now there is no ticking clock, at least not for me.

You guys are making up imaginary ticking clocks or whatever and pressure yourself, the community and the developers for no reason. If someone wants to go play Wow, just go an play. If you want to go play Diablo 3, just go and play. There is no need to keep announcing it here, it will not change anything.

Personally I do think that FFXIV has at least until late 2011 to get everything working and release the PS3 (early 2012 latest). If they are still as messy one year after Yoshi took over we can start talking about clocks and if they are ticking or not. Right now there is no such thing ... at least not for me ... I can not and will not talk for the whole community like you guys tend to do.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

So you think loosing a big chunk of what is left on FFXIV population wont matter ?
because lets face it , a good MMO comes out people will go and play it.
Somewhat i find that hard to believe.

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ANY game will lose a chunk of it's population every time another game is released. Even WoW, mind you. To think that developers should burn their chances to improve the game because they need to make haste and beat other games to the market is simply to deny the nature of the gaming market.

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

Zkieve, seeing as how you are a rank 50, may I ask your opinion on the current Class system and Battle system?
How do you feel about party tactics? Individuality? Challenge?
Some are of the opinion that being rank 15, I cannot have a valid opinion of battle in FFXIV.

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I'm sure that you understand that the fact that you may be able to find higher level people that may(or may not) agree with your ideas doesn't change the fact that you didn't experience what you're talking about, ergo, your opinion isn't founded on anything else that banter on a forum. Experience it, then judge. It's pretty simple and trying to change subject won't change that.

Personally I can say that tanking in FFXIV is one of the mist fun and challenging experiences in a MMO to date. The only system I liked more was in Age of Conan before Funcom dumbed it down to appease those that couldn't master it.
Considering how many i see that, even at level 50, can't hold aggro for the life of them, and stubbornly refuse to use most of the tools they have at their hand to ensure just that, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a lot of people simply didn't even get a small part of the combat system.
I see too many tanks that are absolute trainwrecks around me to exclude that very solid possibility.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

You guys are making up imaginary ticking clocks

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Personally I do think that FFXIV has at least until late 2011 to get everything working and release the PS3 (early 2012 latest)

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

...I had assumed that SE would take what it's learned from it's 8 years of FFXI and release the best MMO for years to come....

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This is essentially the core issue & no one seems to understand.

that experience wasn't present when the game was first released... Those people were the XI dev team and a different team got XIV started.

FFXI dev team was busy, FFXI players were getting tired, XIV devs were noobs, game released & now we all make the switch. It isn't really possible to tweak an mmorpg before release... All the trendy wow crackheads, well they can leave...

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

Thank you Zaene. I will be frank with you, however... My time here is limited. Portal 2, Duke Nukem, and From Dust are arriving shortly, After that the Last Guardian...

If FFXIV is not fixed before Diablo 3's release, I can assure you that I will never be coming back. Even Blizzard has to compete with itself in regards to Diablo 3 - which will steal away massive amounts of WOW players.

Yoshi-P has about 3-weeks to tell us something, or the Belgian Rofls of the world are moving on.

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Why wait 3 weeks? If you're that set on splitting, then I highly doubt that anything Yoshi says is going to please you.

You haven't been adding much here other than your namesake, so by all means, take some initiative and leave early.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

So you think loosing a big chunk of what is left on FFXIV population wont matter ?
because lets face it , a good MMO comes out people will go and play it.
Somewhat i find that hard to believe.

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You DO NOT KNOW if that is going to happen. That is what I am trying to tell you and the others that think like you. You are just guessing. You are trying to present your opinion as a fact. I do not see any MMORPG that will be released in 2011 that can have a really big impact on the playerbase of FFXIV.

The whole the clock is ticking thing is as valid as me saying FFXIV will beat WoW when the PS3 version is released, because Square Enix is cool and WoW has no moogles.

Most people that would leave FFXIV already left. The few left understand what SE has to do and are waiting for Yoshi to fix the game. The problem is not SE or FFXIV. The problem is a small part of the current player base that do not understand that developing a game and changing the very basics of the game play take some time ...

They are not going to add or remove a small thing. They are talking about redoing whole maps, fixing the battle mechanics and redoing whole class balancing. That is not doable in a week, a month or even a few months ... it takes time. Give it time ...

A few weeks ago everyone was so damn happy about RIFT. RIFT was so cool, so new, so polished ... and so boring because it is a WoW copy. It only took them a few days to come back and troll the FFXIV forums instead of playing their beloved RIFT.

The coming MMOs will do as much damage as RIFT did to FFXIV, which is almost none ...

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

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The "ticking clock" expression involves urgency. He talked about "end of 2011" at the earliest, and there's very little urgency in that. Ergo, I don't see a contradiction.

I'm quite sure that by the end of 2011 (actually quite a lot before, I would more say by the end of the summer) this game will have evolved quite a lot already. For the better or the worse, time will tell.